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That might be so. Do I take it then, that you never verbally "soften the blow" in the way you describe unpleasant events your child is afraid of enduring?


Oh, notch. For a split second there, I thought I read "add Scotch." That would be another way of approaching this, I suppose. ;)


When it comes to the white lies that allow them to have many of the joyful experiences of youth, there's quite a big downside to depriving them of the fun of pretending and imagining. I'd even point out that it's scientifically proven that this kind of indulging in harmless fantasy, which is natural with the young, is intellectually stimulating to their mental development and therefore beneficial.

No, I do not soften the blow (lie) to my child about unpleasant events. As I stated, my child has special needs. She has already had more medical procedures than two dozen average adults will likely ever have in their entire lives. It is critical that she be able to trust me when I explain a procedure to her.

Despite popular belief, childhood is not all about endless fun. Childhood is about gaining skills to cope with adulthood. Learning to cope with unpleasantness is a critical part of childhood so they can become well adjusted adults. I see no reason to deny my child a well adjusted adulthood.

My child has an awesome imagination, and I join in pretend play all the time. Do I lie her about whether we are pretending or not? No. Why would I? At her behest, we pretend to fly, ride roller coasters, drive to places and engage in many fun activities with her stuffed friends. Do I ever tell her she can really fly, we are really driving a car while we are sitting on couch, or that we are really on a roller coaster while we are again sitting on the couch? No---again, why would I?

Pretend is pretend; lying is lying. One is initiated by the child, the other by the parent. As I said, I have told my child it is fun to pretend in Santa, and we watch movies involving Santa but I would have never told her he was real. When that lie is discovered, it naturally causes the child to doubt their parents integrity and future "truths" they are told, AND it shows the child that lying is perfectly acceptable behaviour--after all, mom and dad do it so it must be fine.

The most joyful experiences a child can have are based in trust and truth. They are more confident in their pretend, yet, they are very aware of the difference between pretend and reality. This creates an irreplaceable trust and confidence in both themselves and in their security with their parents as they mature.

I am not going to tell a parent not to raise their child with Santa. That is each parents choice. I am merely pointing out the many pitfalls of lying to their kids, and the pitfalls of denied sin. If a parent chooses to lie to their children that is their choice. They must understand they cannot lie to God through denial of their sin. Sin can be called many things....just good clean fun, white lies, etc......by all its popular names, it is still sin.
 
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No, I do not soften the blow (lie) to my child about unpleasant events. As I stated, my child has special needs. She has already had more medical procedures than two dozen average adults will likely ever have in their entire lives. It is critical that she be able to trust me when I explain a procedure to her.
Then this mainly means I needed to have chosen a different example in your case.

Despite popular belief, childhood is not all about endless fun.
No one said that. The point was that everything fun, imaginative, and wondrous ought not be stripped from it.

Childhood is about gaining skills to cope with adulthood.
That's what I was explaining when I referred to brain development.
 
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Then this mainly means I needed to have chosen a different example in your case.


No one said that. The point was that everything fun, imaginative, and wondrous ought not be stripped from it.


That's what I was explaining when I referred to brain development.

Lying to a child is not needed for a child to have a wonderful, fun, full, imaginative childhood. If raised in a healthy, loving environment, they create their own fun and play all without the need of us interfering by lying to them.

A parents compelling need to lie to their children about Santa, the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, etc is, IMO, far more about the parents perceived need to either continue living out their childhood fantasies or reach a resolution of those lies, than it actually is for their children.

My child certainly would not enjoy the holidays any more by my lying to her than she already enjoys them now. She relishes the holidays because it is a time to get together with her cousins and family, eat great and special foods, give gifts and see others joy, and get gifts herself. No Santa et al needed for absolute elation.
 
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Then this mainly means I needed to have chosen a different example in your case.


No one said that. The point was that everything fun, imaginative, and wondrous ought not be stripped from it.


That's what I was explaining when I referred to brain development.

All examples you could pick still result in me wanting my child to have unwavering trust in what I tell her. The only road to that end is if I am honest with her.

For those who tell their children that Santa, Easter bunny, Tooth fairy etc... are real, gave them gifts, etc........I am really curious if you repent to God of this lie you willfully and repeatedly tell? If you choose to not repent, why and how do you justify that?
 
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Oh, btw, I will not say I have never lied to my child nor do I claim to be a perfect parent. We did willfully lie to her once that comes to mind when a pet dog was put down unexpectedly after killing several of our livestock. We told her he had to move away. We justified our lie at the time as softening the blow of losing the dog. Now, we accept that we denied her a chance to learn from a fact of reality of life on a farm.

Now, realizing how wrong we were to lie to her, we are now left with telling her the truth after the fact (which is always much more traumatic than to have told her up front) or living in dread for when she finds out we choose to lie to her. We have committed to learn from our mistake and not do that again. Knowing we were wrong to have lied for any reason, we repented.
 
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Just read this and it reminded me of this thread and the many claims of "all in good fun" and "no damage done"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...dc9e4b06fa6887d0c84?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

The child recovered of course, and now agrees to lie to others so they can also be upset and angry later *sigh*. And, even better news of it all, the parents just thought it was hilarious that they caused such grief and anger in an impressionable, trusting child. They went into the other room so they could have a good laugh at how unhappy and angry they had made their child.
 
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No offense but really? Of all my threads, even some more recent ones, this is the one that gets revived?
It just rise from the dead again. Ha ha. But not by me.
 
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According to this sub-forum's Statement of Purpose, it is only for (professed) Christians.
Statement of Purpose said:
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This forum was created for Christian parents to discuss and to ask other Christian parents for advice and encouragement. This subforum will be Chrisitans Only.
 
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"So by that rationale of "telling your kids that Santa is real = lying"......... If I am throwing my wife a surprise birthday party, and we all tell my wife that we are going out to the store so she doesn't find out that we are planning a surprise birthday party......is that still a lie that is sending us all to burn? Just curious, and wondering if there is a difference between Santa and a surprise birthday."​

Hahahaha! In a surprise party, the revelation of truth is the whole point. Are you going to tell your kids, "Surprise! Santa's not real!" and look forward to the look on their faces when all those years of Santa stories finally pay off and you get to reveal the truth? I don't think so. The joy in Santa IS the lie. The truth is the disappointment.
 
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"So by that rationale of "telling your kids that Santa is real = lying"......... If I am throwing my wife a surprise birthday party, and we all tell my wife that we are going out to the store so she doesn't find out that we are planning a surprise birthday party......is that still a lie that is sending us all to burn? Just curious, and wondering if there is a difference between Santa and a surprise birthday."​

Hahahaha! In a surprise party, the revelation of truth is the whole point. Are you going to tell your kids, "Surprise! Santa's not real!" and look forward to the look on their faces when all those years of Santa stories finally pay off and you get to reveal the truth? I don't think so. The joy in Santa IS the lie. The truth is the disappointment.
I believe lying about a person, that's not real. Is a lie. Compared to keeping your mouth shut about a birthday party. That's about to happen. If you have a good husband or wife. They should give you some kind of birthday party. And so with your kids. They are expecting some kind of birthday party. I never believed in Santa and was never disappointed. Some kids find out in school and get very disappointed when they find out the Santa thing is a lie. And that their parents have been lying all those years.
 
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I agree, Crazy Cat Woman. I think my post may be confusing because I do not know how to make that grey background for quotes. How do I do it?

The post you wish to quote has a button on the bottom right of it named "Reply". First hit that button, then type what you wish to say below the quoted text.

I understood what you did, btw.
 
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