Sanders or Trump?

[ClothedInGrace]

Hello all,

Who is more Christian in their platform? Trump: the rich businessman who won't stop talking about his polls? Or Sanders: the man who wants to give struggling Americans access to healthcare, college, and a livable wage? Should Christians be forced to vote conservative simply because the candidates are "Christian" and because the liberals don't acknowledge God? Yes, Bernie's supporters are primarily liberals who hate Christianity, but does that automatically disqualify what he wants to accomplish? Didn't sinners love Jesus? Didn't Jesus love us? I had this sentiment stuck in my head that because Bernie was the main candidate for those who are anti-Christ that I could never vote for him, but looking at what he wants to accomplish I really feel I must. I'm not a liberal, but I'm not brainwashed conservative either: I'm just an American who wants to vote for someone who cares about the people who can't make ends meet. Don't vote conservative just because you hate liberals! Liberals and conservatives need to unite and vote for someone who will solve our countries REAL problems! Why should we be focused on immigrants when our own people can't pay the bills?

 

[revanneosl]

When Jesus talked about how the nations of the world would be judged, you know what he said. Sanders seems to me to be the candidate who will expend the most energy toward seeing to it that the hungry are fed, the thirsty are given clean water to drink, the stranger is welcomed, the naked are clothed, and the sick & imprisoned are cared for.

This is what Christ says the nations of the world should do, if they wish to be judged righteous.

 

[stamperben]

Who would Jesus vote for? Maybe Bernie

In a speech in September at Liberty University, whose president, Jerry Falwell Jr., recently endorsed Donald Trump, Sanders cited Jesus on the golden rule in Matthew 7:12. He also quoted from an Old Testament passage often quoted by Martin Luther King Jr.: “But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream” (Amos 5:24). These two texts lent Sanders the bookends of his speech, morality and justice, which he said had to a great extent gone missing in a country that “worships not love of brothers and sisters, not love of the poor and the sick, but worships the acquisition of money and great wealth.”

That sounds like Pope Francis, whom Sanders has repeatedly lauded. It also sounds like the Christian faith I encountered in my youth in the Episcopal Church. In fact, it sounds like the faith of my Republican mother who, after hearing of a homeless man who froze to death just miles from our Cape Cod home, joined forces with her minister and her best friend to establish the region’s first homeless shelter.

It must also be remembered that Jesus was a Jew, and that the historical Jesus bears almost no resemblance to the American Jesus conjured up in the late 1970s by the religious right and trotted out nowadays by Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and other Republicans desperately seeking the white evangelical vote.​

 

[Tallguy88]

When Jesus talked about how the nations of the world would be judged, you know what he said. Sanders seems to me to be the candidate who will expend the most energy toward seeing to it that the hungry are fed, the thirsty are given clean water to drink, the stranger is welcomed, the naked are clothed, and the sick & imprisoned are cared for.

This is what Christ says the nations of the world should do, if they wish to be judged righteous.

That is how individuals will be judged. You won't be able to stand before God and say the reason you didn't help the poor was because your taxes were already taken for that purpose.

 

[cow451]

Jesus is not registered to vote, being he does not possess a photo ID.

 

[Tallguy88]

Jesus is not registered to vote, being he does not possess a photo ID.

Photo ID was ruled unconstitutional in my state.

 

[abysmul]

Hello all,

Or Sanders: the man who wants to give struggling Americans free healthcare, college, and a livable wage?

Did Christ ever advocate a government forcing its citizens (by threat of ruin/imprisonment) to provide others with "free healthcare, college, and livable wage"? Did our Creator give us free will to choose to follow Him and be Christlike?

 

[Hyperstation]

Jesus encouraged generous giving and good stewardship. Nowhere did He state that the government should be used to strong-arm people into giving up their hard-earned money. Add to that the persecution of the early church and it's understandable why many believers, myself included, are suspicious of big government and the corruption that inevitably follows.

Neither candidate is ideal but I'd take Trump over Sanders any day.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Jesus encouraged generous giving and good stewardship. Nowhere did He state that the government should be used to strong-arm people into giving up their hard-earned money. Add to that the persecution of the early church and it's understandable why many believers, myself included, are suspicious of big government and the corruption that inevitably follows.

Neither candidate is ideal but I'd take Trump over Sanders any day.

Don't we give our money to the government anyways? What's wrong with taking extra if it means free college and healthcare for those who simply don't earn enough? We give our taxes to provide for public education and such, so what is the big deal with going a step further if it means helping alleviate poverty and sickness? Trump doesn't even care about these things: he wants to build a wall and talk about how great he is.

 

[stamperben]

Nowhere did He state that the government should be used to strong-arm people into giving up their hard-earned money.

Mark 12:17

Add to that the persecution of the early church and it's understandable why many believers, myself included, are suspicious of big government and the corruption that inevitably follows.

The believers WELCOMED being martyred though. History has it that Peter requested being crucified upside down rather than fighting this big government Nero dude...

 

[Veritas]

Don't we give our money to the government anyways? What's wrong with taking extra if it means free college and healthcare for those who simply don't earn enough? We give our taxes to provide for public education and such, so what is the big deal with going a step further if it means helping alleviate poverty and sickness? Trump doesn't even care about these things: he wants to build a wall and talk about how great he is.

I don't blame you for not understanding that there is NO such thing as "free". You've had it drilled into your head that if YOU don't have to pay for it, it doesn't cost anything. But of course, that's not true. Somebody's paying for it. Would you feel good about a family that worked hard and lived well being forced to pay "their fair share" to the point they were just like you, struggling?

Sanders is a socialist which is contrary to our American way of life. What he and other socialists advocate is equally shared misery.....except for them and the ruling classes. Although not ideal, Trump is more likely to help more people lift themselves out of poverty instead of relying on government handouts. But you will never be able to "alleviate poverty and sickness". It't just not possible. Even Jesus said, "the poor you will have with you always."

 

[stamperben]

Sanders is a socialist which is contrary to our American way of life. What he and other socialists advocate is equally shared misery.....

Wow, I didn't know our libraries, post offices, interstate highways, police and fire departments, etc, were all contrary to the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE®!

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I don't blame you for not understanding that there is NO such thing as "free". You've had it drilled into your head that if YOU don't have to pay for it, it doesn't cost anything. But of course, that's not true. Somebody's paying for it. Would you feel good about a family that worked hard and lived well being forced to pay "their fair share" to the point they were just like you, struggling?

Sanders is a socialist which is contrary to our American way of life. What he and other socialists advocate is equally shared misery.....except for them and the ruling classes. Although not ideal, Trump is more likely to help more people lift themselves out of poverty instead of relying on government handouts. But you will never be able to "alleviate poverty and sickness". It't just not possible. Even Jesus said, "the poor you will have with you always."

You are correct in saying nothing is free, but access to healthcare and college is restricted for many. Imagine if we had to pay tuition to attend public schools, then only those with money could be educated. Why should Americans be denied access to healthcare and college because they lack the money? Shouldn't everyone pay so that we all can live with access to these things, like we do for most public services? Why are we willing to pay for everything except the two most important institutions: college and healthcare? It's almost like we want people to die and be uneducated. We are one of the only first world countries who refuse to make healthcare and college education available to our citizens. Why? Because "Don't raise my taxes," that's why.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I've said it many times and will continue to say it: Greed is the issue, and for people who call themselves followers of Christ to succumb to it is telling.

Most Christians are simply afraid that voting for Bernie will mean they are abandoning their Christian values, when in all actuality his platform is more Christian than those on the GOP. I'm very much a social conservative, but with regards to the issues these candidates want to solve I think Bernie's focus is the most important. Many vote Republican because they are the "Christian" party, even if a man like Trump claims to be one when he clearly is not.

 

[Desk trauma]

Sanders or Trump?

No.

Thank you.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Sanders or Trump?

No.

Thank you.

I'm waiting for Jesus to be king, but until then these are our options.

 

[Desk trauma]

I'm waiting for Jesus to be king, but until then these are our options.

It's unlikely that either of those men will be elected and it's also not likely that Senator Sanders will get the Democratic nomination.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

It's unlikely that either of those men will be elected and it's also not likely that Senator Sanders will get the Democratic nomination.

Probably not. Clinton will most likely win the presidency from the way things are going. Trump will definitely win the GOP nomination because of the hype surrounding him, so it's him versus Clinton.

 

[Desk trauma]

Probably not. Clinton will most likely win the presidency from the way things are going.

Depending on how the polling for my state rolls out I will likely vote libertarian.

 

[Veritas]

You are correct in saying nothing is free, but access to healthcare and college is restricted for many. Imagine if we had to pay tuition to attend public schools, then only those with money could be educated. Why should Americans be denied access to healthcare and college because they lack the money? Shouldn't everyone pay so that we all can live with access to these things, like we do for most public services? Why are we willing to pay for everything except the two most important institutions: college and healthcare? It's almost like we want people to die and be uneducated. We are one of the only first world countries who refuse to make healthcare and college education available to our citizens. Why? Because "Don't raise my taxes," that's why.

If you think that the European way is better, why not move there? Our US Constitution does not guarantee the right to fee healthcare or education. Financially draining our economy so that everyone can have everything doesn't solve anything. It just makes us all poorer. Sad that this is what liberals really want.