Sanders campaign sanctioned by DNC

[seashale76]

Officials with the Democratic National Committee have accused the presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders of improperly accessing confidential voter information gathered by the rival campaign of Hillary Clinton, according to several party officials.

Tsk tsk tsk. Uncle Bernie got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Wonder if he felt the burn?

I'll just throw this out there, because I've said it all along. Sanders was never and is never going to be allowed to be POTUS. He isn't establishment and doesn't have the crossover appeal. It was always going to be Clinton. They will do anything to discredit him enough just so they can have an excuse to put her in- because it was decided long ago. They don't need or want the popular vote in this. Just like the GOP has never needed it when it comes to who they choose (i.e. not Trump- which I've also said all along). People need to wake up.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Right, libertarians never have personal bias in favor of the Republican party, LOL That's rich!

Why do so many conservatives think that declaring that they are not sympathetic towards the Republican party will actually fool anyone? I think they are all just trying to fool themselves; in any case, they're not fooling anyone else. It's a very weak and transparent game.

I'm in favor of SSM, drug legalization, pro-choice...why would I be sympathetic to the republican party? Aside from guns and a handful of economic stances, I don't really have that much in common with them.

Bernie is the only one saying the game is rigged and he is the only outsider.

Plenty of people (not just Bernie) realize that the game is rigged.

Nice racist comment about Obama - shows your true colors.

I made no racist comments, you appear to just be going on the attack because you can't provide any valid rebuttals to anything that was presented.

Watch and see.

Sure...

except the good thing about them is they don't blaspheme God by exploiting His name to fool weak Christians and seekers.

Sure they do...check out any thread/conversation about Universal Healthcare and you'll see plenty of left-leaning folks invoking Christianity to support their position.

I know that as an atheist you hate religion and religious people so I think it's very natural that you would be conservative. Most atheists I know actually are very conservative because it fits nicely with their lack of moral code.

LOL...right...
(never mind the fact that 70-75% of atheists vote democrat...so the "most atheists" that you know don't even closely represent the majority)

As I said, you're going on the attack because you got nothin'

I write out that entire post, and you're comments back are

"You're a closet-Republican"
"You're a racist"
"You hate religion/religious people"
"You have a lack of a moral code"

I think you guys on the left need to have a huddle and clarify your position on religion. I was just in another thread yesterday, and there were democrats in there that were trying to "get rid of all public religious displays"....I actually defended religious practices in that thread
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/if-you-were-the-president-of-your-country.7942167/

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I'm in favor of SSM, drug legalization, pro-choice...why would I be sympathetic to the republican party? Aside from guns and a handful of economic stances, I don't really have that much in common with them.

The economic stances are the most important - every other issue is based on economics.

Plenty of people (not just Bernie) realize that the game is rigged.

Oh, I must have missed which Republicans (other than Trump, the pseudo-Republican) have been saying that. Kasich? Crazy Cruz? Idiot Rand Paul? Basket case Rubio? Oh yeah, none of them. The Establishment GOP.

I made no racist comments, you appear to just be going on the attack because you can't provide any valid rebuttals to anything that was presented.

You said that President Obama became president simply because the DNC wanted to pin a medal on the wall and pushed him through because he was black. That's racist. If you can't see it, it's because you're blind with racism.

Sure they do...check out any thread/conversation about Universal Healthcare and you'll see plenty of left-leaning folks invoking Christianity to support their position.

There's nothing wrong with an individual using their Christian beliefs to support their political positions. There's a huge difference between that and a candidate using religion in a blasphemous way to pander. I think that as an atheist you just are unable to tell the difference because you have no respect for religion.

LOL...right...
(never mind the fact that 70-75% of atheists vote democrat...so the "most atheists" that you know don't even closely represent the majority)

I don't believe that. For one thing, I think a majority of people who call themselves "Christian" are actually atheists anyway, they're just wearing a facade of Christianity because it's part of the marketing package. Republican and libertarian principles are grossly anti-Christian.

As I said, you're going on the attack because you got nothin'

I write out that entire post, and you're comments back are

"You're a closet-Republican"
"You're a racist"
"You hate religion/religious people"
"You have a lack of a moral code"

Well, I'm right about those things.

I think you guys on the left need to have a huddle and clarify your position on religion. I was just in another thread yesterday, and there were democrats in there that were trying to "get rid of all public religious displays"....I actually defended religious practices in that thread
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/if-you-were-the-president-of-your-country.7942167/

We don't meet with each other. I don't discuss with the other ones about what "we" will have as some kind of "groupthink". I have my beliefs and I believe on the Lord God Almighty. Based on His Word I evaluate the candidates and their platforms and whichever one I believe most aligns with God's Will, according to His Holy Word, The Bible, I vote for that person. It just so happens to be Bernie this time. It's definitely not Republican and it can never be a Libertarian since Libertarians are the most anti-Christian in their views on government.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The economic stances are the most important - every other issue is based on economics.

Not true...abortion, SSM, and guns are 3 issues that are discussed in the realms of religion and emotion, not economics.

Oh, I must have missed which Republicans (other than Trump, the pseudo-Republican) have been saying that. Kasich? Crazy Cruz? Idiot Rand Paul? Basket case Rubio? Oh yeah, none of them. The Establishment GOP.

I didn't limit "other people" to actively running candidates...I was including all people.

You said that President Obama became president simply because the DNC wanted to pin a medal on the wall and pushed him through because he was black. That's racist. If you can't see it, it's because you're blind with racism.

Is the "racism" accusation your go-to anytime anyone brings anything you don't agree with?

Considering that numerous democrats have made the same assessment I did, I'd say my opinion on that isn't too out of line...

Obama was a 3-year Senator prior to being pushed on the Democratic ticket...he had very little experience comparatively speaking (even compared to fellow Democrats who were seeking the nomination). I think it was pretty clear to Clinton, Biden, Edwards, and Dodd why they were being overlooked by the superdelegates. They had a combined 100 years in the Senate, the superdelegates made the conscious effort to back the newbie who was only on the Scene for 3 years.

Much like how the Superdelegates are making a conscious effort to overlook Bernie and back Hillary by a ratio of 15:1. It's not because Hillary is more popular with Democratic voters, it's not because she's more qualified, she only polls better against republicans than Bernie in 1 demographic... The DNC has a very specific strategic reason in mind for backing her so solidly.

There's nothing wrong with an individual using their Christian beliefs to support their political positions. There's a huge difference between that and a candidate using religion in a blasphemous way to pander. I think that as an atheist you just are unable to tell the difference because you have no respect for religion.

So, in summary, it sounds like your position is...

When a conservative points out the places in the religion that support their beliefs, it's shameless pandering...when liberals do the same, it's righteous invocation of divine doctrine?

I don't believe that. For one thing, I think a majority of people who call themselves "Christian" are actually atheists anyway, they're just wearing a facade of Christianity because it's part of the marketing package. Republican and libertarian principles are grossly anti-Christian.

Well, you can believe it or not, but the fact remains, the reality is, most atheists are liberal and vote democrat. Good luck trying to get anyone on board for your side to try to refute that. I think most atheists on here would solidly agree with me on that.

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-social-and-political-views/

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/07/how-the-faithful-voted-2012-preliminary-exit-poll-analysis/

The fact that you'd even try to sell the notion of a link between atheists and the GOP is laughable tbh.

Well, I'm right about those things.

You are not...

I'm not a republican
Nor am I racist
Nor do I hate religious people

In fact I spend probably close to 25% of my time on CF as one of the select few atheists on here that will defend religious people on many subjects.

The high-handed implications you've been making about other religious people in this thread are far more offensive than me stating that I simply don't believe in their God. Look at what you implied earlier, you essentially said that any Christians that don't come up with the same political conclusions you do are either A) actually Atheists who are just pretending to be Christian, or B) too stupid to realize that they've been duped by GOP pandering.

There's a few left-leaning folks here on CF who are not big fans of me lol, and they'll typically like to jump in and oppose me whenever they get the chance, the fact that they're remaining silent on this thread and not jumping it to back you up should be quite telling.