Samaritan v. Jew comparison...

[AndrewK788]

I have a feeling this may end up being quite controversial, so first I want to say I'm not trying to offend...simply thinking out loud in the form of this thread.

I've been thinking about the relationship between the Samaritan's and the Jews. The Jews always looked down on the Samaritans for various reasons but ultimately it was because they were not conformed to their own faith...worshiping in the temple in Jerusalem. It wasnt that they didn't believe in God or search for truth. In fact, Jesus had more success in reaching the Samaritans than he did the Pharisees and their followers...so could this almost be like trads and progs?

I see a comparison between the two. The trads are called traditional for a reason...not that that is always a bad thing, but progressives tend to be more actively searching out truth and not always relying on previous assumptions. The Jews were so certain the form in which the Messiah would come that when he did they missed it. Just as some Adventists today are so certain of the SDA doctrine that has been passed down for the last 100 yrs it is heresy to question it (or EGW). This is why progressives are so often condemned by trads because they are not entirely conformed to the trad line of thinking. Maybe like why the Jews despised the Samaritans? And I'm not sure it is an issue of which one of the two has the truth...but who will listen to God when they are called. The Samaritans may have been wrong on many points (and they probably were) but they listened when they were called. The Jews knew more about theology than anyone but they were so caught up in their tradition and ceremonies that they rejected the Messiah and crucified him.

So, before I get burned at the stake by everyone who disagrees, just remember these are only thoughts. What does everyone think?

 

[NightEternal]

What do I think? I think you make some excellent points and I agree.

I also think you will be reported and this thread will be locked if current behavior is any indication.

This area is no more free than the rest of the subforum. It's a complete joke.

Split the forum.

 

[mva1985]

Jesus said that salvation was of the Jews to the Samaritan woman.

And I do not believe that any traditionals mind honest examination of Scripture or teachings of the church for that matter.

 

[reddogs]

I have a feeling this may end up being quite controversial, so first I want to say I'm not trying to offend...simply thinking out loud in the form of this thread.

I've been thinking about the relationship between the Samaritan's and the Jews. The Jews always looked down on the Samaritans for various reasons but ultimately it was because they were not conformed to their own faith...worshiping in the temple in Jerusalem. It wasnt that they didn't believe in God or search for truth. In fact, Jesus had more success in reaching the Samaritans than he did the Pharisees and their followers...so could this almost be like trads and progs?

I see a comparison between the two. The trads are called traditional for a reason...not that that is always a bad thing, but progressives tend to be more actively searching out truth and not always relying on previous assumptions. The Jews were so certain the form in which the Messiah would come that when he did they missed it. Just as some Adventists today are so certain of the SDA doctrine that has been passed down for the last 100 yrs it is heresy to question it (or EGW). This is why progressives are so often condemned by trads because they are not entirely conformed to the trad line of thinking. Maybe like why the Jews despised the Samaritans? And I'm not sure it is an issue of which one of the two has the truth...but who will listen to God when they are called. The Samaritans may have been wrong on many points (and they probably were) but they listened when they were called. The Jews knew more about theology than anyone but they were so caught up in their tradition and ceremonies that they rejected the Messiah and crucified him.

So, before I get burned at the stake by everyone who disagrees, just remember these are only thoughts. What does everyone think?

Hmm, fast forward a few thousand years, Jews>Trads ....Samartians>Progs.......we are again caught in a loop fighting our brothers, keeping them from coming to worship at the temple...

 

[AndrewK788]

Jesus said that salvation was of the Jews to the Samaritan woman.

And I do not believe that any traditionals mind honest examination of Scripture or teachings of the church for that matter.

As long as the final result still agrees with EGW and SDA doctrine...I'm sorry but that's just the way I've seen people in our church act. They all gung ho to go study a topic but then when they find what they don't like it's like 'Whoa, nevermind! forget that!"

 

[reddogs]

As long as the final result still agrees with EGW and SDA doctrine...I'm sorry but that's just the way I've seen people in our church act. They all gung ho to go study a topic but then when they find what they don't like it's like 'Whoa, nevermind! forget that!"

All things from God are in harmony, but when some people nitpick to tear things apart that are truly from God, then we have to look to see what their purpose is.

The Pharisees did nothing but try to pick apart Jesus in every way, but God had already prepared the way so the disciples, the people, and us today could believe.....

 

[AndrewK788]

All things from God are in harmony, but when some people nitpick to tear things apart that are truly from God, then we have to look to see what their purpose is.

The Pharisees did nothing but try to pick apart Jesus in every way, but God had already prepared the way so the disciples, the people, and us today could believe.....

I agree with you. I'll admit a lot of it is nit-picking but sometimes there have been legitimate questions that get shut down in the church because it is straying too far from what SDA's believe.

 

[tall73]

All things from God are in harmony, but when some people nitpick to tear things apart that are truly from God, then we have to look to see what their purpose is.

The Pharisees did nothing but try to pick apart Jesus in every way, but God had already prepared the way so the disciples, the people, and us today could believe.....

Do you think that discussing the Sanctuary and Sabbath doctrines, the two end time truths that were considered "present truth" by the pioneers is nitpicking?

Because I certainly don't.

 

[reddogs]

Do you think that discussing the Sanctuary and Sabbath doctrines, the two end time truths that were considered "present truth" by the pioneers is nitpicking?

Because I certainly don't.

There is absolutely no reason to doubt the Sabbath, the day, the purpose, the timeline, we stand on unshakeable scriptural ground. Even Sunday keepers are unsure of why they push for that day now or dont even bother with God when it comes, and yet we get unsound or outright false doctrine like "you have to have every day as the Sabbath" which is not even biblical. This is 'nitpicking' of the highest order to get away from what God gives, it can't be called anything else, and just like the Pharisees with Jesus, they cant discern what they are doing......

It is like Pharoah hardening his heart when he saw the power of the divine right before his very eyes, and 'nitpicking' as he denied God's will for the Children of Isreal, the consequences were devasting for Pharoah, his family, and his men.....

 

[tall73]

There is absolutely no reason to doubt the Sabbath, the day, the purpose, the timeline, we stand on unshakeable scriptural ground. Even Sunday keepers are unsure of why they push for that day now or dont even bother with God on it, and yet we get unsound or outright false doctrine like "you have to have every day as the Sabbath" which is not even biblical. This is 'nitpicking' of the highest order to get away from what God gives, it can't be called anything else, and just like the Pharisees with Jesus, they cant discern what they are doing......

It is like Pharoah hardening his heart when he saw the power of the divine right before his very eyes, and 'nitpicking' as he denied God's will for the Children of Isreal, the consequences were devasting for Pharoah, his family, and his men.....

I see you didn't mention the IJ.

But if you feel that way about the Sabbath then come visit this thread and take part in the discussion

http://christianforums.com/t6502816-the-sabbath-and-suzerainty-covenants-the-sign-of-loyalty.html

Just do us a favor and read the OP and at least some of the other posts so you can see what has already been discussed.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

There is absolutely no reason to doubt the Sabbath, the day, the purpose, the timeline, even Sunday keepers are unsure of why they push for that day now, and yet we get unsound or outright false doctrine like "you have to have every day as the Sabbath" which is not even biblical. This is 'nitpicking' of the highest order to get away from what God gives, it can't be called anything else, and just like the Pharisees with Jesus, they cant discern what they are doing......

It is like Pharoah hardening his heart when he saw the power of the divine right before his very eyes, and 'nitpicking' as he denied God's will for the Children of Isreal, the consequences were devasting for Pharoah, his family, and his men.....

Exactly the problem. One side expresses their beliefs as incontrovertible therefore the other must be undiscerning or have hardened themselves against God. And the seeds for intolerance and self righteousness flower and bear further seeds of hate just as the Jew had for the Samaritan.

 

[reddogs]

I see you didn't mention the IJ.

But if you feel that way about the Sabbath then come visit this thread and take part in the discussion

http://christianforums.com/t6502816-the-sabbath-and-suzerainty-covenants-the-sign-of-loyalty.html

When I finish doing my personal study on IJ, the sanctuary, I will discuss it.

Hope everyone has a wonderful Sabbath....

Shabbat Shalom!

 

[Mankin]

Interesting post Andrew. Except the Samaritans didn't have the ability to study Scripture since the Jews didn't tell them about it. I believe Jesus said it was like the Jews were only giving them crumbs. Of course progs aren't really like that. Still interesting post.

 

[mva1985]

As long as the final result still agrees with EGW and SDA doctrine...I'm sorry but that's just the way I've seen people in our church act. They all gung ho to go study a topic but then when they find what they don't like it's like 'Whoa, nevermind! forget that!"

What you wrote is not contained in my post - it is an assumption on your part.