Salvation is an Experience

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

The Spirit of wisdom in the knowledge of Him, needs to be given, how do you grow n what requires to be gifted and given through receiving with meekness the engrafted word ?

James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be SWIFT TO HEAR, SLOW TO SPEAK, SLOW TO WRATH:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and RECEIVE WITH MEEKNESS the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
You just speak about concepts you've read, not that you've necessarily assimilated and experienced. To know Christ is a huge topic; that grace, itself, and the knowledge it gives is a never-ending process.

God gives the Spirit in the knowledge of the revelation of Him, or does not give.

We see Apostle Paul prays for them to receive such:

Ephesians 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
You just speak about concepts you've read, not that you've necessarily assimilated and experienced. To know Christ is a huge topic; that grace, itself, and the knowledge it gives is a never-ending process. We're being transformed into His image-and the more we are the more we know Him, and then the more we believe in, hope in and love Him. That love is fathomless-it has no end.

The Apostles shared with all the world what they heard, and we share the same then, THE WORD.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
We're being transformed into His image-and the more we are the more we know Him, and then the more we believe in, hope in and love Him. That love is fathomless-it has no end.

The Jews are blinded with the vail upon their heart:

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Now we believe in the Spirit of the Lord ( Jesus Christ) to give us liberty.

Now we behold with an open face ( no longer blinded with the vail) to see the glory of the Lord ( in the face of Jesus Christ) to be changed into the same image ( as Christ) from His glory to our glory by the Spirit of the Lord.

Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

The love is known..

Ephesians 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
We're being transformed into His image-and the more we are the more we know Him, and then the more we believe in, hope in and love Him. .

Now we know Him as we are known, before it was darkly, now it is with open face, before we were a child, now we are grown to know Him as a man...

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

Aren't you glad I am here to teach you everything, and give the scriptures that show the words I say are really true, and not my own invented opinion.

But then again, I only ever knew the scriptures and nothing else.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

If I did not know the scriptures, I would think what you say might be right.

But I learned them to avoid such a mistake from ever being able to happen.

fhansen · Jul 31, 2022

servant7777 said:
Now we know Him as we are known, before it was darkly, now it is with open face, before we were a child, now we are grown to know Him as a man...

1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

That perfection comes in the next life, when we meet Him "face to face". It begins here.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

Hebrews 7:19 For the LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT, but THE BRINGING IN OF A BETTER HOPE DID; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

1 Corinthians 15:19 IF IN THIS LIFE ONLY WE HAVE HOPE, ( PERFECT HOPE) WE ARE OF MEN MOST MISERABLE.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and BECOME THE FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept.

Luke 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no FRUIT TO PERFECTION.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

The perfection came to the world now, Jesus Christ.

We saw Him also.

fhansen · Jul 31, 2022

servant7777 said:
The perfection came to the world now, Jesus Christ.

We saw Him also.

And you can know Him even better. You have to admit that you haven't seen God directly, beholding Him in His immediate presence.
"...now we see only a reflection as in a mirror..."

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
Not so sure about absolute perfection but he’d probably come as close as possible I’d bet.

We can be sure knowing Jesus Christ is righteous. ( Jesus Christ is absolute perfection)

Purifying ourselves as He is pure ( perfect perfecting Holiness)

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Doing righteousness, is righteous, even as He is righteous ( perfectly/ perfect/ perfecting)

Proverbs 11:5 The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
And you can know Him even better. You have to admit that you haven't seen God directly, beholding Him in His immediate presence.
"...now we see only a reflection as in a mirror..."

Now we see clearly through glass which is the face of Jesus Christ, now we see darkly because the day star has not arisen in our hearts.

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
And you can know Him even better. You have to admit that you haven't seen God directly, beholding Him in His immediate presence.
"...now we see only a reflection as in a mirror..."

Yes you admit which of the two you are,

1.seeing clearly, or

2. seeing darkly.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
"...now we see only a reflection as in a mirror..."

We see you chose the wrong belief, you show you are in the dark place, seeing darkly, and not in the light seeing clearly in the face of Jesus Christ, God shining the light out of darkness in our heart.

1. unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2. the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
"...now we see only a reflection as in a mirror..."

You picked your side, you chose seeing darkly, when the correct choice was with open face, beholding the glory of the Lord ( not darkly, but in light)

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

fhansen · Jul 31, 2022

servant7777 said:
Yes you admit which of the two you are,

1.seeing clearly, or

2. seeing darkly.

I've been shown clearly-but that is a very rare occurrence. Not boasting, just truth. I doubt you've seen God. You come across as someone engaged more in wishful thinking than experience. If anything, however, such an experience only shows up our imperfections all the more, and His ineffable, boundless love for us in spite of that.

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

fhansen said:
I've been shown clearly-but that is a very rare occurrence. Not boasting, just truth. I doubt you've seen God. You come across as someone engaged more in wishful thinking than experience. If anything, however, such an experience only shows up our imperfections all the more, and His ineffable, boundless love for us in spite of that.

It is not me, but your doctrinal belief that thinks we see darkly now.

It is me however, that shows the verses how we see not darkly, but the day star arisen in our hearts ( if we believe Hod commanded the light to shine in our hearts through the face of Jesus Christ, and seeing His face is seeing the Fathers.

And for those who put darkness for light:

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

Stay in your beliefs then, but who will agree to you on the forum, that we see darkly, and not that the day star arises in our hearts, in the dark place, so we no longer see darkly, now we see through the glass, not darkly but through it ( clearly)

servant7777 · Jul 31, 2022

That also means we are changed into the same image, from glory to glory. ( not blinded as Israel now, but freed from that blindness by the liberty and light of Christ)

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

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