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There is no colder form of love than placing one's neighbors in potential hell. You know, the ones we are to actually loveBut it may be, certainly, as most people's love , if they ever had love, has grown cold, as God Says.
Jesus is the savior of captives. We're all captives. Some are in fact saved after death, as we are shown in Romans 11:26-32. Even enemies of the Gospel who were purposefully made that way by God, Romans 11:8.ur still remains an abomination not to be discussed in the company of anyone, believers or not.
It may cause millions or billions to die without repentance being deceived thinking they don't have to repent in this life.
It also cannot be brought up , according to the limited rules of this forum,
except in the controversial section - and even there it helps no one.
ooops, big mistake.
Jesus pointed out who have satan, the devil, as their father.
Are you claiming to be sinless?He still knows today who belongs to satan.
He always knows.
Oh, absolutely not. But my question is more, if I have the slim chance to be saved thanks to opening my heart to the grace of God, it makes me feel sad that my family doesn’t even seem to get to have that chance; and so what can I do for them? Do they have any chance at all? (Though it seems like there is a lot of disagreement here on that)
"Good" in the OT was based on a commonly accepted notion of man, which does not mean the same thing as "good" in the NT; i.e., sinless (Mk 10:18).I just quoted scripture from what Jesus said and He said what a “good man” does. I found from the law in the Psalms that “the steps of the good man are ordered by the Lord” and that the “eyes of the Lord” keep “watch on the evil and the good”.
I quoted the Lord speaking in the New Testament Gospels of Matthew & Luke."Good" in the OT was based on a commonly accepted notion of man, which does not mean the same thing as "good" in the NT; i.e., sinless (Mk 10:18).
I referenced Psalm 37:21-24 in verse 23 it says the steps of the good man are prepared by the Lord. Anything good is of God ( James 1:17).Did he say there that any good men actually existed?
And with man they are impossible (Mt 19:26).
Therefore, man does not do them.
So if they are done, it is not by man, it is only by God enabling man to do so, and he does not enable all.
No, they are addressed to those in whom God is working.
With man this is impossible.
No one lives by the truth unless God enables him. . .and he does not enable all.
It is all moot to those to whom God does not give the power.
Jesus' words are spoken to those in whom God is working.
No one else can either receive or obey them (Jn 6:65, 3:3-5).
Jesus lived in the OT under the Old Covenant. Much of what he said was according to the OT under which they were all living.I quoted the Lord speaking in the New Testament Gospels of Matthew & Luke.
"Good" in the OT was based on a commonly accepted notion of man, which does not mean the same thing as "good" in the NT; i.e., sinless (Mk 10:18).I referenced Psalm 37:21-24 in verse 23 it says the steps of the good man are prepared by the Lord. Anything good is of God ( James 1:17).
You knew I was referring to Scripture there, right?Sadly many many members and posters and readers/ visitors daily contradict what Jesus says.
There is no rule against that on the internet anywhere, on this forum or elsewhere.
Apparently, and that it is His call and I don’t put clarifications on it. It is a matter for Him to know not us. I do my best to not conflate my reasoning with my faith expression ( Matthew 7:1-12).Did he say there that any good men actually existed?
So who is saying otherwise? ( Romans 9:14-18). Even in our fallen state, we sometimes do what is right ( 1 John 3:10-12).And with man they are impossible (Mt 19:26).
Therefore, man does not do them.
So if they are done, it is not by man, it is only by God enabling man to do so, and he does not enable all.
No, they are addressed to those in whom God is working.
With man this is impossible.
No one lives by the truth unless God enables him. . .and he does not enable all.
It is all moot to those to whom God does not give the power.
Jesus' words are spoken to those in whom God is working.
No one else can either receive or obey them (Jn 6:65, 3:3-5).
I feel your pain. I was the second person saved in my family after my little sister. After me, my mother (the daughter of a preacher) got saved. Later my twin sister got saved. Finally, my Father became a believer about a week before he died. I married a Christian lady and our only child was saved at a young age. I still have family members who are not saved. I keep on praying for them because I care for their souls. Do not be disheartened that you are the first one in your family who has become a believer. There is hope for all those who you love.I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.
In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?
It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?
brassica said:First, ur is a horrible abomination in God's Plan and Sight. To make as if people do not need to repent of their sin, to make as if after people die they still have a chance at life if they rejected Jesus during life, to make as if Jesus' Death and Resurrection means nothing/was for nothing,
to deny the overall Scripture, to deny God's Way, means death for billions , billions , billions of souls.
Second, Growing up , so to speak, "in a Christian community" is neither lucky nor a sign that anyone is saved. That's a common error, and leads to more being without repentance, thus not forgiven
Third, many followers of Jesus, immersed in His Name, have tremendous SORROW and GRIEF, not only for family and neighbors, but also for fello countrymen and people of other nations who are lost.
The apostle Paul grieved seriously and deeply that he could not give his life to save his own countrymen .......
The answer is truth. The answer is Jesus. Complete with all the sorrow and grief of loss of souls.
You are Catholic, here is the teaching of the Catholic Church.I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.
In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?
It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?
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