Salvation for the non-believers?

brassica · Feb 27, 2025

I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.

In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?

It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?

bling · Feb 27, 2025

brassica said:
I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.

In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?

It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?

Good question and I love your righteous concern.

Even if they are not saved, they would very much love you to be saved, so concern for them should only encourage you to go on.

1 Corinthians 7:16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

You are to be that example of change, to being a new Holy Spirit filled person to all your family.

Heaven is a place of only Godly type Love, which means only unselfish type Love, which many people do not like or want, so they would be unhappy in heaven. They like selfish type love/ carnal/ fleshly/ worldly/ instinctive.

Soyeong · Feb 27, 2025

God's way is the way to know and believe in Him is by directing our lives towards being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits, such as in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham, that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in God's way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. Our good works in obedience to God's law testify about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory tor Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about His goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him. Likewise, the way to believe that God is a doer of justice is by directing our lives towards being a doer of justice in obedience to His instructions, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's character (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law.

Sin is what is contrary to God's way, such as with righteousness being sin and sin is what is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3). Jesus saves us from sin (Matthew 1:21), so him graciously teaching us to walk in God's way is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not walking in God's way. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false was far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. So I see no reason to doubt the salvation of anyone who is a doer of the character traits of God.

Maria Billingsley · Feb 27, 2025

brassica said:
I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.

In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?

It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?

Everyone has a chance to repent, change their mind, and come to Love Jesus Christ of Nazareth up until death. After that, there is no forgiveness of sin.
Blessings

jacks · Feb 27, 2025

You'll hear many opinions, but ultimately only God knows who will be saved.

Ivan Hlavanda · Feb 27, 2025

brassica said:
I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.

In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?

It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?

There is only one way to Heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ. Every other road leads to eternal hell.

Who are all sinners, deserving of God's wrath, but He desires no one to go to hell. So He sent His Son, as a way of salvation, so whoever believes in Him and accepts Him as a Saviour, will be saved.

ozso · Feb 27, 2025

brassica said:
I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.

In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?

It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?

Your love for Christ has to be your prime motivator. Wanting to be with Christ needs to outshine wanting to be with anyone else. You should be willing to forsake and leave behind all others right now to follow Christ. Now this is something we strive for and grow towards, but it still is the ultimate primary desire and goal of a Christian.

Richard T · Feb 28, 2025

Praise God for your conversion.
Eph 1:13 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,"
Most think that a conversion occurs when there is faith to confess Jesus as Lord and belief in your heart that God raised him from the dead. (Rom 10). Thus, your baptism is not going to save you (though it is important) but your faith is what saves you. The same can be said for all others. Without faith in God through the blood of Jesus, it does not matter how good a person is. God only accepts one grade A+ perfection and you have to get that grade card from Jesus, because no other human is capable. Thank God we have that available to us.

David Lamb · Feb 28, 2025

brassica said:
I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.

In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?

It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?

Well, the important thing is not what seems horrible or pleasant to us, but what is said in God's word, the bible:

“So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."” (Ac 16:31 NKJV)

“"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (Joh 3:16 NKJV)

“"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."” (Joh 3:36 NKJV)

It doesn't say, "Those who have lived virtuous lives on earth will be saved." The reason for that is that God requires perfection, and none of us is perfectly virtuous.

Lukaris · Feb 28, 2025

There are many of which only God knows ( Romans 9:14-18, Romans 2:6-16, Matthew 12:30-33 etc.). Ultimately He says the good will be saved and the evil punished ( John 5:22-30 etc). We should pray for evangelism ( Matthew 9:36-38) & for salvation of souls in general ( 1 Timothy 2:1-6 etc.). There is much to be hopeful for ( 1 Corinthians 13:4-13).

BelieveItOarKnot · Feb 28, 2025

brassica said:
I am in the process of conversion (will be baptized on Easter Vigil), but among my friends and family, I’m the only one who’s decided to convert.

In general, I think the people I love and care have lived virtuous lives on earth so far thanks to their consciences. But because all of them are either atheists or pagans, doesn’t that mean that they still will not get the chance to see Heaven? And my husband, who is supposed to be the other half of me, didn’t decide to be baptized with me because he can’t believe and I couldn’t convince him to believe. So even if I live a good life from now on and get the chance to be saved, will I be alone? What about all the people I love and care about? What can I do for them?

It’s just so horrible to imagine that even if I manage to be saved that I cannot share it with the people I love. People who got to grow up in a Christian community are so lucky not to know this sorrow. It would be so wonderful if universalism was true, but are there any other answers out there?

IF any believer hasn't the faith to love their neighbors as themselves their faith has done them no service

Fact is we're all a compilation of good and evil, without exceptions.

Being saved or converted didn't make the evil in anyone go away or disappear Those who think it does makes their faith a delusion

There are a lot of false forms of Jesus, found mostly in the fine print of sects who propose that anyone who doesn't believe exactly like them are doomed or potentially doomed to eternal hell. Such have, IMHO, taken the darkest notions into their own hearts along with their equally phony talismans of self justifications, insulation for their own evil and turned God in Christ to a double dealer whom they activated in their behaves.

Pity, such commonality

1 John 4:7 is available as a sane alternative. Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God

Jesus said God is our Father. Even orthodoxy accepts that all people are God's children. Best to figure out our faith and add up the math from there

We'll all have a seat at the judgement table.

Those who propose that other sinners are going to be treated differently than themselves will probably be in for a big surprise when they're shown to have landed in direct opposition to loving our neighbors

Shame really, such posers

Clare73 · Feb 28, 2025

Lukaris said:
There are many of which only God knows ( Romans 9:14-18, Romans 2:6-16, Matthew 12:30-33 etc.). Ultimately He says the good will be saved and the evil punished ( John 5:22-30 etc). We should pray for evangelism ( Matthew 9:36-38) & for salvation of souls in general ( 1 Timothy 2:1-6 etc.). There is much to be hopeful for ( 1 Corinthians 13:4-13).

No one is good (Mk 10:18).

Only those who savingly believe in and trust on the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin will be saved (Jn 3:18).

Lukaris · Feb 28, 2025

Clare73 said:
No one is good (Mk 10:18).

Only those who savingly believe in and trust on the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin will be saved (Jn 3:18).

God will have mercy on who He will have mercy ( Romans 9:14-18) & will determine the good from the bad ( John 5:22-30). By grace through faith a believer is saved ( Ephesians 2:8-10) and those who do truth will come to the light ( John 3:16-21). I can’t define the conditions otherwise of who God wants to save ( Deuteronomy 29:29). I can’t judge souls ( Matthew 7:1-12).

BelieveItOarKnot · Mar 1, 2025

Clare73 said:
No one is good (Mk 10:18).

Only those who savingly believe in and trust on the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin will be saved (Jn 3:18).

Jesus advised us we all have one Father. Matt. 23:9

d taylor · Mar 1, 2025

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If you thinking you are saved because of something you have done like being baptized, etc.... Then you are still in the same boat as your family of unbelievers.

If you or anyone living wants to receive God's free gift of Eternal life salvation and become a permanent born again child of God.

It is only by belief in Jesus, a person receives God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation. What is believing in Jesus, it is to believe Jesus is who He says He is. The Son of God/The promised Messiah, the resurrection and the life.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

The great part about God's free offer in receiving God's free of Eternal Life salvation. Is God does not require church membership (or other actions). So you do not have to drag a person into a church and have them becomes a member.

A person can receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation walking down the street, swimming at a pool, in a doctors office, at work or school, etc..... Another great part is it does not have to be a long and drawn out process. The very moment a person, comes to believe in, belief in Jesus for Eternal Life salvation. They immediately become at the very moment of belief, a permanent born again child of God.

Clare73 · Mar 1, 2025

Lukaris said:
God will have mercy on who He will have mercy ( Romans 9:14-18) & will determine the good from the bad ( John 5:22-30). By grace through faith a believer is saved ( Ephesians 2:8-10) and those who do truth will come to the light ( John 3:16-21). I can’t define the conditions otherwise of who God wants to save ( Deuteronomy 29:29). I can’t judge souls ( Matthew 7:1-12).

No one is good (Mk 10:18).

Clare73 · Mar 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Jesus advised us we all have one Father. Matt. 23:9

Only the born again have God as their Father.

Lukaris · Mar 1, 2025

Clare73 said:
No one is good (Mk 10:18).

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Clare73 said:
No one is good (Mk 10:18).

As far as we know cause we can’t play favorites or claim to know better than God.

Psalm 37:21-24

Matthew 12:35, Luke 6:45

Matthew 7:1-12

Proverbs 15:3

Clare73 · Mar 1, 2025

Lukaris said:
As far as we know cause we can’t play favorites or claim to know better than God.
Psalm 37:21-24
Matthew 12:35, Luke 6:45
Matthew 7:1-12
Proverbs 15:3

What we know is what Jesus said (Mk 10:18) and I don't presume there is anything possible that would contradict what Jesus says.

Lukaris · Mar 1, 2025

Clare73 said:
What we know is what Jesus said (Mk 10:18) and I don't presume there is anything possible that would contradict what Jesus says.

I just quoted scripture from what Jesus said and He said what a “good man” does. I found from the law in the Psalms that “the steps of the good man are ordered by the Lord” and that the “eyes of the Lord” keep “watch on the evil and the good”.

I can read Isaiah 64 & Ezekiel 18 & see that at times God seems to condemn our works ( Isaiah 64) & then God approves of good things we do but warns us that we can throw it all away & do evil & that we need repentance ( Ezekiel 18). What is the big deal here? Without the Lord we can do nothing ( John 15:5). I know I can’t tell a living person to just be a good guy ( whatever that is, Romans 3:9-26) & all will be well. On the other hand, who am I to assume to know the sheep from the goats ( Matthew 25:31-46) & where God decides to be merciful ( Romans 9:14-18) & put conditions on His sovereignty ( Matthew 19:22-30)?

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