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Since you refuse to let scripture interpret scripture, all you can do is continue to pound on one verse with no context...no point in continuing this discussion, as you aren't interested in learning.The result of being given eternal life is never perishing, per John 10:28.
lol. My statement is the OBVIOUS conclusion of John 10:28. In fact, I've shown from other verses HOW the other verses say the same thing as John 10:28. But you're not listening.Since you refuse to let scripture interpret scripture, all you can do is continue to pound on one verse with no context
Should have been said while looking directly into a mirror....no point in continuing this discussion, as you aren't interested in learning.
Notice the title of the thread. Thus the topic is one opposed to Scripture to start with,Since you refuse to let scripture interpret scripture, all you can do is continue to pound on one verse with no context...no point in continuing this discussion, as you aren't interested in learning.
What does scripture say is the kind of bride (church) Jesus is coming back for?Well I say you're a liar.
1 John 1:8
''If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.''
No one on this whole forum has claimed to be sinless....apart from you. Liar.
All we have is your word as testimony to claim sinlessness and to be honest I reject it because these are just words you're saying,not supported by scripture or evidence.
Yes indeed.He paid the sin debt. But forgiveness of sin is by faith in Christ.
What does scripture say is the kind of bride (church) Jesus is coming back for?
It is written..."That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Eph 5:27)
If nobody can "cease from sin", who is Peter talking about in 1 Peter 4:1?
"For inasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind, for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin,"
Who is Paul talking about in 1 Cor 15:34?
"Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame."
Who is Paul writing about in 2 Tim 2:19?
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal: “The Lord knoweth those who are His,” and, “Let every one who nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
I, by the grace of God, have been enabled to "arm myself with the same mind", "awakened to righteousness", and "departed from iniquity".
So can you...if you will turn from sin permanently.
So much for those "believers".Exactly what the Bible says about that.
Rev 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This is a reference to the lake of fire.
I think the rules here forbid evangelism, so I won't start with you, however my writings that faith equates to obedience will live on long after I am gone.Please explain how you come to such a silly conclusion. My view of false believers is to evangelize them. Not give any of them solace.
The hundreds of thousands of dead Jews in the desert will provide the proof that disobedience is the proof of disbelief.You make a lot of high sounding claims, but you have zero evidence from Scripture.
Dads discipline their kids because they love them and don't want them ending up dead or in prison...or in hell.Do you know WHY fathers discipline their children? One reason is that the child crossed the father. So don't give me this nonsense.
More false believers, eh?Or what Paul told Tim in 1 Tim 1:19,20 -
19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.
20Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
Thanks be to God for making a way to "crucify the flesh, with the affections and lusts"! (Gal 5:24)Christians don't sin in the Spirit, but we still do with our flesh.
When we die, it's not our flesh which goes up to heaven.
You have no answer to the scriptures I posted?Look I don't want to keep calling you a liar because i've done it twice already. As for this claim you never sin, I don't believe you and that's the end of it.
You have no answer to the scriptures I posted?
Just disbelief?
Why can't we say we have no sin when the verses before and after verse 9 both say we can?Well my answer is I think you're not saved,so you can't interpret scripture. Otherwise you would understand this:
1 John 1:8
''If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.''
If true, how come you've not proven this??Notice the title of the thread. Thus the topic is one opposed to Scripture to start with,
Jesus Himself taught eternal security.and those who believe false teachings have already a truck load of support outside of Scripture for why they do not believe Jesus.
There IS sin in the human nature. But you'd have to read Romans 5-7 to know that.Yes indeed.
Thank God for water baptism "into Christ". (Rom 6:3)
I have my faith, and I am "in Christ".
Of course sinners can't say they are "in Christ", as there is no sin "in Christ".
They weren't believers. Why would you say such a silly thing?So much for those "believers".
It is a recipe for disaster, but not one that leads to the lake of fire.I think the rules here forbid evangelism, so I won't start with you, however my writings that faith equates to obedience will live on long after I am gone.
To say "I believe" without the requisite change of life style is a recipe for disaster.
Yep. It's called the sin unto death in 1 John 5:16 and is part of God's system of divine discipline toward rebellious believers.The hundreds of thousands of dead Jews in the desert will provide the proof that disobedience is the proof of disbelief.
He also provided a way to kill the old nature so it is not a factor in our decision making anymore.There IS sin in the human nature. But you'd have to read Romans 5-7 to know that.
God gives the believer a new nature with which to NOT sin. But there is a choice, as Romans 6 makes very clear. It's a moment by moment choice, btw.
It is written..."Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:They weren't believers. Why would you say such a silly thing?
So why are the takers of the mark of the beast eliminated from eternal salvation if blasphemers aren't?It is a recipe for disaster, but not one that leads to the lake of fire.
He did, in verse 27..."My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"If that were true, Jesus would HAVE HAD TO make that clear in John 10:28.
All sins are unto death, if they are not "turned from".Yep. It's called the sin unto death in 1 John 5:16 and is part of God's system of divine discipline toward rebellious believers.
Please prove your opinion from Scripture. That means quoting a verse that SAYS what you opine.
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