Saint Hippolytus talking about Hades and Unending Pain / Eternal Punishment of The Unrightous

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*** Long Read ***



• Saint Hippolytus of Rome
- Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus -
Part II.-Dogmatical and Historical
- Against Plato, on the Cause of the Universe - 187 - 1. and 3.
(170–235 A.D.)

ANF5 Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus. Part II


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And this is the passage regarding demons. But now we must speak of Hades, in which
"The Souls" Both Of The Righteous And The Unrighteous Are Detained.
Hades is a place in the created system, rude, a locality beneath the earth, in which the light of the world does not shine; and as the sun does not shine in this locality, there must necessarily be perpetual darkness there. This locality has been destined to be as it were a guard-house for souls, at which the angels are stationed as guards, distributing according to each one's deeds The Temporary Punishments for (different) characters. And in this locality there is a certain place set apart by itself, A Lake Of Unquenchable Fire, into which we suppose no one has ever yet been cast; for it is prepared against the day determined by God, in which one sentence of righteous judgment shall be justly applied to all.
And The Unrighteous, and those who believed not God, who have honoured as God the vain works of the hands of men, idols fashioned (by themselves), Shall Be Sentenced To This Endless Punishment. But the righteous shall obtain the incorruptible and un-fading kingdom, who indeed are at present detained in Hades, but not in the same place with the unrighteous. For to this locality there is one descent, at the gate whereof we believe an archangel is stationed with a host. And when those who are conducted by the angels appointed unto the souls have passed through this gate, they do not proceed on one and the same way; but the righteous, being conducted in the light toward the right, and being hymned by the angels stationed at the place, are brought to a locality full of light. And there the righteous from the beginning dwell, not ruled by necessity, but enjoying always the contemplation of the blessings which are in their view, and delighting themselves with the expectation of others ever new, and deeming those ever better than these. And that place brings no toils to them. There, there is neither fierce heat, nor cold, nor thorn; but the face of the fathers and the righteous is seen to be always smiling, as they wait for the rest and eternal revival in heaven which succeed this location. And we call it by the name Abraham's bosom. But The Unrighteous are dragged toward the left by Angels Who Are Ministers Of Punishment, and they go of their own accord no longer, but are dragged by force as prisoners. And the angels appointed over them send them along, reproaching them and threatening them with an eye of terror, forcing them down into the lower parts. And when they are brought there, those appointed to that service drag them on to the confines or hell. And those who are so near Hear Incessantly The Agitation,
And Feel The Hot Smoke
. And when that vision is so near, as They See The Terrible And Excessively Glowing Spectacle Of The Fire, They Shudder In Horror At The Expectation Of The Future Judgment, (as if they were) Already Feeling The Power Of Their Punishment.
And again, where they see the place of the fathers and the righteous, they are also punished there. For a deep and vast abyss is set there in the midst, so that neither can any of the righteous in sympathy think to pass it, nor any of the unrighteous dare to cross it.



3. For all, the Righteous and the Unrighteous alike, shall be brought before God the Word. For the Father hath committed all judgment to Him; and in fulfilment of the Father's counsel, He cometh as Judge whom we call Christ. For it is not Minos and Rhadamanthys that are to judge (the world), as ye fancy, O Greeks, but He whom God the Father hath glorified, of whom we have spoken elsewhere more in particular, for the profit of those who seek the truth. He, in administering the righteous judgment of the Father to all, assigns to each what is righteous according to his works. And being present at His judicial decision, all, both men and angels and demons, shall utter one voice, saying, "Righteous is Thy judgment." Of which voice the justification will be seen in the awarding to each that which is just; since to those who have done well shall be assigned righteously eternal bliss, And To The Lovers Of Iniquity Shall Be Given Eternal Punishment. And The Fire which is un-quenchable and without end awaits these latter, and a certain Fiery Worm which dieth not, and which does not waste the body, but continues bursting forth from The Body With Unending Pain. No sleep will give them rest; no night will soothe them; no death will deliver them from Punishment ; no voice of interceding friends will profit them. For neither are the righteous seen by them any longer, nor are they worthy of remembrance ......




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But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, Sorcerers, idolaters, and All Liars
Shall Have Their Part In The Lake Which Burns With Fire And Brimstone
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which is the second death."
• Revelation 21:8


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Another Quote from Saint Hippolytus :


• Saint Hippolytus of Rome - Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus -
Part II.-Dogmatical and Historical
- Against Plato, on the Cause of the Universe - 197 - 2.
(170–235 A.D.)

ANF5 Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus. Part II


2. "Thus far, then, on the subject of Hades, in which "The Souls" Of All Are Detained Until The Time Which God Has Determined; and then He will accomplish A Resurrection Of All, Not By Transferring Souls Into Other Bodies, But By Raising The Bodies Themselves."


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Quote from Tertullian talking about Hades :


Tertullian - The Christian Idea of the Position of Hades; The Blessedness of Paradise Immediately After Death. The Privilege of the Martyrs - Chapter 55 ( LV.) - # 323
(155-240 A.D.)

ANF3 Tertullian, A Treatise on the Soul


"You have a treatise by us, (on Paradise), in which we have established the position That Every Soul Is Detained In Safe Keeping In Hades Until The Day Of The Lord."



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Some quotes from early church history:

Sibylline Oracles (80-195 AD)
And God, immortal and omnipotent, will grant another gift to these pious
persons: when they will ask him, he will grant them to save the human beings
from the fierce fire, and from the otherworldly [αἰώνιος] gnashing of teeth, and
will do so after pulling them out of the unquenchable flame and removing
them [ἀπὸ φλογὸς ἀκαμάτοιο ἄλοσ’ ἀποστήσας], destining them, for the sake
of his own elect, to the other life, that of the world to come, for immortals
[ζωὴν ἑτέραν καὶ αἰώνιον ἀθανάτοισιν], in the Elysian Fields, where there are the
long waves of the Acherusian Lake, imperishable, which has a deep bed.
(2,330–338)

Apocalypse of Peter (c. 100-150 AD)
Then I will grant to my called and elect ones whomsoever they request from me, out of the punishment. And I will give them [i.e. those for whom the elect pray] a fine baptism in salvation from the Acherousian Lake (which is, they say, in the Elysian field), a portion of righteousness with my holy ones (ApPet 14:1, translating the text as corrected by M. R. James and confirmed by SibOr 2:330-338).

Bardaisan of Edessa (154–222 AD)
“But whenever God likes, everything can be, with no obstacle at all. In fact,
there is nothing that can impede that great and holy will. For, even those
who are convinced to resist God, do not resist by their force, but they are
in evil and error, and this can be only for a short time, because God is kind
and gentle, and allows all natures to remain in the state in which they are,
and to govern themselves by their own will, but at the same time they are
conditioned by the things that are done and the plans that have been conceived
[sc. by God] in order to help them. For this order and this government that have
been given [sc. by God], and the association of one with another, damps the
natures’ force, so that they cannot be either completely harmful or completely
harmed, as they were harmful and harmed before the creation of the world.
And there will come a time when even this capacity for harm that remains in
them will be brought to an end by the instruction that will obtain in a different
arrangement of things: and, once that new world will be constituted, all evil
movements will cease, all rebellions will come to an end, and the fools will be
persuaded, and the lacks will be filled, and there will be safety and peace, as a
gift of the Lord of all natures.” (Laws of Countries, 608–611 Nau)

Clement of Alexandria (150-215)
And not only for our sins,’-that is for those of the faithful,-is the Lord the propitiator, does he say, ‘but also for the whole world.’ He, indeed, saves all; but some He saves, converting them by punishments; others, however, who follow voluntarily He saves with dignity of honour; so ‘that every knee should bow to Him, of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth;’ that is, angels, men, and souls that before His advent have departed from this temporal life." (Fragments, 1:3, c. 2, v. 2)

Origen (c. 184 - c. 253) "So then, when the end has been restored to the beginning, and the termination of things compared with their commencement, that condition of things will be re-established in which rational nature was placed, when it had no need to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; so that when all feeling of wickedness has been removed, and the individual has been purified and cleansed, He who alone is the one good God becomes to him ‘all,’ and that not in the case of a few individuals, or of a considerable number, but He Himself is ‘all in all.’ And when death shall no longer anywhere exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then verily God will be ‘all in all’— De Prinicipiis 3.6.3

Didymus the Blind of Alexandria (310/13 ca.–395/8 AD)
This is said about rational creatures [τῶν λογικῶν]. Since, among all of them, there are also some who have become wicked, know how these will have a restoration [κατάστασιν] once they have arrived in the hands of the Son, obviously after rejecting the evilness [κακίαν] that they had, and assuming virtue [ἀρετήν]. For one should not pay attention to those who propound sophisms, claiming that only those rational beings who have sanctity [ἁγιότητα] are called. [In Comm. in Io., fr. 2]

It is impossible that wood, grass, and straw disappear in such a way as not to exist any more, but sinners will disappear insofar as they are grass and so on. Indeed, this fire of the corrective punishment is not active against the substance, but against habits and qualities [sc. bad habits and qualities]. For this fire consumes, not creatures, but certain conditions and certain habits. [Comm. in Ps. 20–21 col. 21,15]

“Gregory of Nyssa (A.D. 330-394)
A certain deception was indeed practised upon the Evil one, by concealing the Divine nature within the human; but for the latter, as himself a deceiver, it was only a just recompense that he should be deceived himself: the great adversary must himself at last find that what has been done is just and salutary, when he also shall experience the benefit of the Incarnation. He, as well as humanity, will be purged.” (The Great Catechism, 26, newadvent.org/fathers/2908.htm)”

"the originator of evil himself will be healed” (Catechetical Orations 26. The Catechetical Oration of Gregory of Nyssa. Edited by James H. Srawley. Cambridge, 1903, p. 101).

‘For it is evident that God will, in truth, be ‘in all’ then when there shall be no evil seen in anything. … When every created being is at harmony with itself and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; when every creature shall have been made one body, then shall the body of Christ be subject to the Father. … Now the body of Christ, as I have said often before, is the whole of humanity’ (Orat. in I Cor. xv.28).


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Nope.

Universalism was Defeated and Condemned more than a 1,000 years ago,
at The 5th Ecumenical Council (553 A.D.) and the gates of Hades still hasn't prevailed against The Church.

NPNF2-14

NPNF2-14 The Anathemas Against Origen.

NPNF2-14 Emperor Justinian Against Origen.


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If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, Let Him Be Anathema .....
• 1 Corinthians 16:22



• The Fifth Ecumenical Council. The Second Council of Constantinople
(553 A.D.)


NPNF2-14 Emperor Justinian Against Origen.


• The Anathematisms of the Emperor Justinian Against Origen.
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9.

"If Anyone Says Or Thinks that The Punishment of demons And Of Impious Men Is Only Temporary, And Will One Day Have An End, and that a restoration (apokatastasij) will take place of demons and of impious men, Let Him Be Anathema.

Anathema to Origen and to that Adamantius, who set forth these opinions together with his nefarious and execrable and wicked doctrine and to whomsoever there is who thinks thus, Or Defends These Oinions, or in any way hereafter at any time shall presume to protect them."




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• Strive :
- make great efforts to achieve or obtain something.

- struggle or fight vigorously.




Strive
to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:24



“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and There Are Many Who Go In by it.
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, And There Are Few Who Find It.

• Matthew 7:14


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Shall Have Their Part In The Lake Which Burns With Fire And Brimstone, which is the second death
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Lake of Fire? Don't be ridiculous. Where would we find one of those surrounded by outer darkness?

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I can't remember where I read something about the sun being the lake of fire.

I think it might have been an Old Calendarist website.

I know I've seen something about it before though.


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Tertullian - A Treatise on the Soul - Conclusion. Points Postponed. All Souls are Kept in Hades Until the Resurrection, Anticipating Their Ultimate Misery or Bliss. - Chapter 58 (LVIII)
(155-240 A.D.)

ANF3 Tertullian, A Treatise on the Soul


"All Souls, Therefore; Are Shut Up Within Hades: do you admit this? It Is True, Whether You Say Yes Or No: moreover, There Are Already Experienced There Punishments and Consolations; And There You Have A Poor Man And Rich."



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I can't remember where I read something about the sun being the lake of fire.

Yeah it's interesting. The same thing that gives us warmth and heat and light and life also would coincidentally make a good Hell/prison surrounded by the 'outer darkness' (outer space...?) noted in Matthew 22:13, and possibly Jude 1:13.

And, when I look up at the night sky, I understand that I live in a creation where there just happens to be an awful LOT -- Light Years upon Light Years upon Light Years, of outer darkness.

Food for thought.
 
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and a certain Fiery Worm which dieth not, and which does not waste the body, but continues bursting forth

Take look at the Solar Flare in the gif, 'bursting forth' from the body of the Sun...
As I said, "the same thing that gives us warmth and heat and light and life"

Maybe God finds a use for Evil after all?

"Waste not, want not..."
 
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• Justin Martyr - Dialogue with Trypho - Chapter 5 (100-165 A.D.)

ANF1 Dialogue of Justin

But I do not say, indeed, that all souls die; for that were truly a piece of good fortune to the evil.
What then? The Souls of the pious remain in a better place, while those of the unjust and wicked are in a worse, waiting for the time of judgment. Thus some which have appeared worthy of God never die; but others are punished so long as God wills them to exist and to be punished.



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• St. Irenaeus of Lyons - Against Heresies 4:28:2 (189 A.D.)

"Thus also The Punishment of those who do not believe the Word of God, and despise his advent, and are turned away backwards, is increased; Being Not Merely Temporal, But Eternal. For to whomever the Lord shall say, “Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire” [Mt 25:41],
These Will Be Damned Forever!"



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