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Zoot said:I thought it was your opinion that the US is hated because of its heightened security, as I mentioned previously I don't understand why that would make someone hate my country.
I meant with regard to the Iraq invasion.
Which is interesting. It means I'm obviously doing something I often accuse others of doing: identifying the invasion of Iraq with the war on terror.
jameseb said:As for the war in Iraq.... yes, I've seen the demonstrations in Rome, Paris, London and across the globe over that war. Funny thing is, they never protested Saddam firing on coalition fighters protecting the no-fly zone, or portested Saddam's use of chemical weapons on his own people in addition to the Iranians. Funny thing those protesters are...
Existential1 said:This is simply not true.
These protests did not register, because that is the way of things, in modern society: you simply envelope protest in the sheer scale of things; and the voice of protest is stillborn.
For protest to register in modern society: you need to pass a tipping point of concern and reaction, and media interest.
Personally, I think you exploit and discredit freedom of speech, in such drive-by shootings of straw men: where, in some small way, the unreasonable prejudice you thereby bring into being and play, as strong illusion one might say; may well find some taget in harming, distressing, or otherwise disadvantaging real people, in the real world.
jameseb said:.That tipping point seems to be anything that the US is doing.
Ext1, are you familiar with the difference between disagreeing with a person's point of view and being an intellectual fascist? How exactly have I "exploited and discredited freedom of speech?" Drive-by shootings of straw men...? Mate, are we on the same wavelength here?I made a very valid point, there's nothing 'straw' about it.... its pretty 'concrete' to be exact
Gunny said:I am in agreement. Those that hate USA with unbridled passion that which birthed 9-11, understand strength and prey on weakness.
newlamb said:Islamic deception?
jameseb said:Yes sir'ee, that Osama bin Laden {born into a rich successful family business) sure knows about that!
In contrast to elanor (no surprise) I feel safer. I think its common sense that security in the US is much, much greater than it was prior to 9/11. Now asking to what degree one feels safer might be a more interesting question as I don't feel any amount of security will stop those who have one single-minded goal to harm us.
Valkyr said:I definitely don't think the world is a safer place. I don't even think the US is safer. A week ago when I flew into Colorado I realized halfway through my flight that I'd completely forgotten to remove the knife that I always carry in the front pocket of my backpack. The knife was in no way hidden, nor were there any other metal objects in the bag (and even if there were, shouldn't security STILL be able to detect a KNIFE?!). Not only that, but this isn't even a small knife we're talking about here. It's a 3-inch blade designed for camping, hiking and rock climbing. When I realized it was in my bag my first thought was to hand it over to someone on the flight crew, but then I realized that could be a disaster.
Anyway, I was completely appalled that security didn't detect and confiscate my knife, and I definitely don't feel secure flying anymore. If it's that easy to get a knife onto a plane, are we REALLY any safer than we were before 9/11? I don't think so.
I think this is a very complex question with no absolutely right and wrong answers. Many different groups of people hate America and they each will have their reasons for doing .Zoot said:Do you have any theories on why there are people in the world who hate the US enough to kill themselves and many others?
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