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"Safe and effective" has now become "not recommended"

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From the Department of "I told you so!"
Back in the days when the use of Covid vaccines that were rushed into production in record time was debated, those who didn't want it thought it might not be safe, wanted to wait, doubted the FDA's ability to remain politically unbiased, etc. were always told that it is "safe and effective". So millions of people including myself went ahead and got it. And now this....

(CNN)The US Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday that it is limiting the emergency use authorization of the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen Covid-19 vaccine to people 18 and older for whom other vaccines aren't appropriate or accessible and those who opt for J&J because they wouldn't otherwise get vaccinated.

The FDA said in a statement that the change is being made because of the risk of a rare and dangerous clotting condition called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after receiving the vaccine.
FDA puts strict limits on Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine - CNN


For reference, here's what CNN reported just a little over a year ago:

"Any time it approves or authorizes a vaccine, the FDA releases an analysis of the clinical trial data that the company has submitted. What the FDA found in the trial data looked good.
"There were no specific safety concerns identified in subgroup analyses by age, race, ethnicity, medical comorbidities, or prior SARS-CoV-2 infection," the analysis said.
In a briefing document, the FDA said that it has reviewed the data for the vaccine and has determined that it is "consistent with the recommendations set forth in FDA's guidance Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19."
Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine is safe and effective, FDA analysis finds - CNN

Keep this in mind for when the next virus is put upon the world, and Big Pharma works with the federal government to develop a "vaccine" for it in record time, and then mandates that you take it if you want to be a participating member of society.
 
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From the Department of "I told you so!"
Back in the days when the use of Covid vaccines that were rushed into production in record time was debated, those who didn't want it thought it might not be safe, wanted to wait, doubted the FDA's ability to remain politically unbiased, etc. were always told that it is "safe and effective". So millions of people including myself went ahead and got it. And now this....

(CNN)The US Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday that it is limiting the emergency use authorization of the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen Covid-19 vaccine to people 18 and older for whom other vaccines aren't appropriate or accessible and those who opt for J&J because they wouldn't otherwise get vaccinated.

The FDA said in a statement that the change is being made because of the risk of a rare and dangerous clotting condition called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after receiving the vaccine.
FDA puts strict limits on Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine - CNN


For reference, here's what CNN reported just a little over a year ago:

"Any time it approves or authorizes a vaccine, the FDA releases an analysis of the clinical trial data that the company has submitted. What the FDA found in the trial data looked good.
"There were no specific safety concerns identified in subgroup analyses by age, race, ethnicity, medical comorbidities, or prior SARS-CoV-2 infection," the analysis said.
In a briefing document, the FDA said that it has reviewed the data for the vaccine and has determined that it is "consistent with the recommendations set forth in FDA's guidance Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19."
Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine is safe and effective, FDA analysis finds - CNN


We've know about and had this reported for a year. This is olds, not news.

Keep this in mind for when the next virus is put upon the world,

Keep what in mind, that antivaxxers are at least a year behind the times?

We already knew that.
 
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We've know about and had this reported for a year. This is olds, not news.



Keep what in mind, that antivaxxers are at least a year behind the times?

We already knew that.

And the J&J vaccine uses the older virus based technology. Exactly what anti-vaxers said was safer!

In looking that up I saw the temporary pause was lifted by 5/3/2021

I would have only opted for the J&J vaccine if it was the only one available as from the beginning it was shown to be significantly less effective.
 
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From the Department of "I told you so!"
Back in the days when the use of Covid vaccines that were rushed into production in record time was debated, those who didn't want it thought it might not be safe, wanted to wait, doubted the FDA's ability to remain politically unbiased, etc. were always told that it is "safe and effective". So millions of people including myself went ahead and got it. And now this....

After all this time and now we seem to be reaching the begining of the end of the pandemic and you still don't understand how the system works.

They did not recommend that use of the J and J vaccine be reduced because it was suddenly found that it was extremely dangerous. It's that other vaccines carry less risk. An extremely small risk. Which is the same for any two vaccines. One will be better than the other at protecting you and one will carry slightly more of a risk. And more data means we can make a scientific evaluation and recommend one over the other.

The reported death by thrombosis death via VAERS from those who took the J and J vaccine was less than 0.5 in one million. And as 7 million took that vaccine there were about three people who did who died of thrombosis - not neccesarily caused by the vaccine. To put that in context, about 44 people die in the US from falling off the toilet.

Much ado about nothing.
 
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After all this time and now we seem to be reaching the begining of the end of the pandemic and you still don't understand how the system works.

They did not recommend that use of the J and J vaccine be reduced because it was suddenly found that it was extremely dangerous. It's that other vaccines carry less risk. An extremely small risk. Which is the same for any two vaccines. One will be better than the other at protecting you and one will carry slightly more of a risk. And more data means we can make a scientific evaluation and recommend one over the other.

The reported death by thrombosis death via VAERS from those who took the J and J vaccine was less than 0.5 in one million. And as 7 million took that vaccine there were about three people who did who died of thrombosis - not neccesarily caused by the vaccine. To put that in context, about 44 people die in the US from falling off the toilet.

Much ado about nothing.

Whoops...

Pop of US 330M
Toilet deaths 44 in 330M = 0.13/M
Deaths from JJ = .5/M = 165

Much ado about something ???
 
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We've know about and had this reported for a year. This is olds, not news.



Keep what in mind, that antivaxxers are at least a year behind the times?

We already knew that.

May 5, 2022 is not a year ago.
 
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May 5, 2022 is not a year ago.

May 5 2022 is when the J&J withdrawal was announced. The rare and dangerous side effect which the article reference has been known about for well over a year.
 
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May 5 2022 is when the J&J withdrawal was announced. The rare and dangerous side effect which the article reference has been known about for well over a year.

IOW, the not-so-safe and effective(?) part has been known for awhile now, and it's just today they decided it was no longer safe.
Again, good reason to not fall for the government's claims about something being safe and effective, and "the right thing to do" when the actual effects are still unknown.
 
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During the week of Jan. 8, coronavirus-related deaths among Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipients reached more than five out of every 100,000 people, CBS News reported. For those who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, the rate was around two deaths per 100,000 people.

Both numbers were a fraction of the rate of COVID-19 deaths for unvaccinated Americans, which was close to 20 per 100,000 people.

Data Shows J&J Vaccine Deaths Higher, Shot Lasts Longer
 
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Whoops...

Pop of US 330M
Toilet deaths 44 in 330M = 0.13/M
Deaths from JJ = .5/M = 165

Much ado about something ???

Maybe you should have checked to see how many people took the J and J vaccine (I actually noted it in my post). I'll wait here while you do that.
 
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IOW, the not-so-safe and effective(?) part has been known for awhile now, and it's just today they decided it was no longer safe.

No. Yet again...all vaccines carry risks and it was decided that there are less risks with other vaccines.
 
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Maybe you should have checked to see how many people took the J and J vaccine (I actually noted it in my post). I'll wait here while you do that.

Is there anything you'd like me to get you while you wait here? :coffee::custard::maize::frenchfries::hamburger: It might be awhile.
 
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During the week of Jan. 8, coronavirus-related deaths among Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipients reached more than five out of every 100,000 people, CBS News reported. For those who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, the rate was around two deaths per 100,000 people.

Both numbers were a fraction of the rate of COVID-19 deaths for unvaccinated Americans, which was close to 20 per 100,000 people.

Data Shows J&J Vaccine Deaths Higher, Shot Lasts Longer

Please edit your post to reference 'coronavirus-associated' as opposed to coronavirus-related'. The first means that someone died who had coronavirus. That someone could be 80 years old with terminal cancer. The second implies that they died of it. Which information is not available.
 
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I took the 7M into account.

So if 7 million took it and the deaths were 0.5 per million, how many died? Extra marks will be awarded if you show how you calculated the answer.
 
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Please edit your post to reference 'coronavirus-associated' as opposed to coronavirus-related'. The first means that someone died who had coronavirus. That someone could be 80 years old with terminal cancer. The second implies that they died of it. Which information is not available.

They are not my words to change.

I gave a link to the source.
 
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So if 7 million took it and the deaths were 0.5 per million, how many died? Extra marks will be awarded if you show how you calculated the answer.

You are likely a better mathematician than I - why don't you just correct any mistake I may have made and I will apologise.
 
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Again, good reason to not fall for the government's claims about something being safe and effective, and "the right thing to do" when the actual effects are still unknown.

And yet, the effects were known. So what on Earth are you talking about.
 
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