Sad but True

[Kufffar]

I just ran across this gruesome report. I understand muhammad allowed for this in order to gratify islam's diety. But what I am not sure is just how frequently this occurs. Any muslims who could answer?

Info. BBC News - Mother Shayma Ali killed daughter, four, 'as sacrifice'

Clips from article:
"A woman "sacrificed" her daughter to Allah to "exorcise evil spirits", the Old Bailey has heard. Shayma Ali, 36, who was suffering from psychosis, stabbed the four-year-old up to 40 times and took out her liver.
The girl's body was found at her east London flat on the Chatsworth Estate, Clapton, east London, in December.

Ali pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. She was sent to a mental hospital indefinitely.

When police arrived at their east London home, the woman was chanting: "I seek refuge in God from the curse of Satan".
The Old Bailey heard Ali had sunk "suddenly and deeply into mental illness" and was convinced the spirits or jinn had entered the bodies of members of her family.

Koranic verses
After her arrest, Ali told her husband: "Suddenly it came into my mind that I should correct my behaviour towards Allah.
"Then a voice told me 'if you love Allah you should sacrifice your daughter."'
She told a doctor she strangled the child and when she was unconscious, she carried her on to the kitchen table where she used the knife to ensure the spirits were exorcised.

As she stabbed the girl, Koranic verses were played in the background on an electronic device, the court heard."

 

[PHenry42]

Sure, this is an inseparable part of orthodox Islam. I too have an altar to Baphomet in my home where I have sacrificed both kids and kittens

 

[awitch]

Sickening.
But also surprising. There have been many stories like this in the news but it's always been a Christian who did it.

 

[Montalban]

the great tu quoque-ist re-emerges

 

[PHenry42]

Apparently Christianity can't stand being put under scrutiny either, by Montalban's standards. Points raised aren't addressed, but attention is diverted away by invoking tu quoque

 

[Montalban]

On a discussion about Islam someone has a dig at Christianity. That is the very definition of tu quoque; diverting attention by accusing the 'other' of the same thing. Evoking that fact - that it's a tu quoque, is valid because that's what it is.

Anyone who actually reads my posts will note that I always answer questions. None were put to me.

We can easily compare the two approaches

I answer questions.

On another thread about Islam one Moslem admits to trolling.

Islam cannot deal with critical discussion. It's always a matter of shifting blame.

Here's another example. A thread about Islam, one person diverts attention by making a casual remark (without even naming any specifics). Islam's not discussed.

I point that out, and apparently it's my fault. And yet again Islam is not being discussed.

Islam is the faith that cannot stand criticism. Everyone else is blamed in an attempt to draw attention from it.

I both am happy and saddened by this. Happy; because it demonstrates the point. Sad; because those caught in Islam's anti-intellectual spiral need help.

 

[Montalban]

Most 'sacrifices' in Islam are termed 'honour killings'

 

[Montalban]

Honor killings are part of the logic in Islam of shifting blame

Such as in a case where a woman is raped then she is the perpetrator of dishonor and must be removed/punished.

Islam has a range of blame-shifting beliefs.

Women have to wear restrictive clothing, because although it's men who are believed to have the strong desires, it's the woman's fault/obligation to remedy this.

 

[Masihi]

Honor killings are part of the logic in Islam of shifting blame

Such as in a case where a woman is raped then she is the perpetrator of dishonor and must be removed/punished.

Islam has a range of blame-shifting beliefs.

Women have to wear restrictive clothing, because although it's men who are believed to have the strong desires, it's the woman's fault/obligation to remedy this.

You make an excellent point. I encounter this phenomenon quite a bit amongst not only muslims (as seen in this thread) but peoples who for lack of Christ, end up desperate, hungry and one check away from losing their apartment. They shift blame quickly and never take responsibility for their actions. They manuever out of problems by lying and stealing. Clearly I need to study this further but from immediate appearances, it seems muhammad left this phenomenon for his followers to imitate.

 

[Masihi]

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[peaceful soul]

Well, awitch, you have done your job quite well. Time to move onto the next topic.

 

[Montalban]

Well, awitch, you have done your job quite well. Time to move onto the next topic.

A Moslem sainthood awaits

 

[SlaveOfGod]

well done

 

[SlaveOfGod]

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[Montalban]

You make an excellent point. I encounter this phenomenon quite a bit amongst not only muslims (as seen in this thread) but peoples who for lack of Christ, end up desperate, hungry and one check away from losing their apartment. They shift blame quickly and never take responsibility for their actions. They manuever out of problems by lying and stealing. Clearly I need to study this further but from immediate appearances, it seems muhammad left this phenomenon for his followers to imitate.

Thank you for your comments. I would tend to think that the same non-religious people continually defending Islam have already submitted to the forces of al-Lah.

 

[SlaveOfGod]

yes they have All Praise be to Al-Lah

 

[AskTheFamily]

This has nothing to do with Islam, it is a mental illness. Instead of believing the voice was created from her own mind, she thought God was telling her to do that. Instead of thinking logically, she thought illogically. What does have to do with what Islam teaches? If she thought about what Islam taught, she would have known God commands the opposite in Islam...to not kill your children..in fact killing another life is only allowed on two conditions per one verse:

The person killed another himself.
The person is causing chaos/mischief in the earth.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

It's not a "tu quoque", it's pointing to a very blatant and obnoxious double standard.

Jesus did the same thing, you know?

Matt. 7,

1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way as you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

In other words: don't be a bloody hypocrite, and clean up your own house before you go complaining about the neighbour's lawn.

 

[razeontherock]

Sickening.
But also surprising. There have been many stories like this in the news but it's always been a Christian who did it.

You know Christians who butchered their own 4 year old children thinking they did so in the service of the Lord? (I think you're stretching the point)

 

[razeontherock]

Sure, this is an inseparable part of orthodox Islam. I too have an altar to Baphomet in my home where I have sacrificed both kids and kittens

Interesting response! I appreciate your ability to take what must be a noxious report in stride, and have compassion on you being attacked senselessly. Can I point out that all this might affect your heart, and caution you to be aware and sensitive to that?