sacrifices in the new temple?

[ahiggs]

if Jesus was the final sacrifice then why would God have been so specific of the animals to be sacrified there? the way i justify it in my mind is that Jesus was that He was our personal lamb sacrifice, but the animals were for the sin all of the people??? any thoughts?

 

[cyberlizard]

two questions....

what makes you think there will be a new temple?

and

what scriptures do you use to show sacrifices will be offered there.



Steve

 

[ahiggs]

Ezekiel chapter 40...this describes in detail a new temple that the sacrifices to be made there.

 

[Iosias]

Ezekiel chapter 40...this describes in detail a new temple that the sacrifices to be made there.

Read a copy of The Temple and the Church's Mission by G. K. Beale

 

[ahiggs]

i will do that. i was reading some of the reviews about the book, and if i am understanding it correctly, is he saying that it is not a literal temple?

 

[Iosias]

i will do that. i was reading some of the reviews about the book, and if i am understanding it correctly, is he saying that it is not a literal temple?

He takes the standard understanding of it, that Ezekiel's prophesy is partially-fulfilled in the church and awaits its final fulfillment in the new heavens and new earth. But the book itself is an indepth study of the 'temple' as a motif within the Bible, and is excellent reagrdless of whether you accept some of his conclusions or not.

So Paul in the NT calls the Church the Temple: In 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 he writes, "Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you? God will destroy anyone who destroys this temple. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple." In 2 Corinthians 6:16-17 he writes "And what union can there be between God’s temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:“I will live in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the Lord. Don’t touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you."" Then in Ephesians 2:20-22 he writes, "Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself. We are carefully joined together in him, becoming a holy temple for the Lord. Through him you Gentiles are also being made part of this dwelling where God lives by his Spirit."

 

[ahiggs]

i agree we are the temple, but when scripture gets specific (this is how it is, was, will be) it has always in the past been fulfilled specifically. so i would have to lean toward a specific fulfillment

 

[Iosias]

i agree we are the temple, but when scripture gets specific (this is how it is, was, will be) it has always in the past been fulfilled specifically. so i would have to lean toward a specific fulfillment

I know where you are coming from but I think that you are mistaken here. The problem is that you are attempting to interpret a very unliteral prophesy literally. The bigger problem is that the NT has already told us that the prophesy has been partially fulfilled in the church and awaits its complete fulfilment in the new heavens and new earth:

But anyway, read the book and you will see what I mean

 

[Chickapee]

if Jesus was the final sacrifice then why would God have been so specific of the animals to be sacrified there? the way i justify it in my mind is that Jesus was that He was our personal lamb sacrifice, but the animals were for the sin all of the people??? any thoughts?

Hiahiggs ,
good question there
a good answer by Iosis , after being cleansed by the Lambs blood , we become the temple[within our hearts & minds] where the Spirit of God & Christ dwells , we are compared to being as beasts before Him[GOD ALMIGHTY] as David confesses this in the Psalms

to slay one another with the Sword [words , letter of the Law that kills ] and judging one another , we are to judge ourselves with the Law
as a mirror exposing our need for Gods mercy and grace
and Paul told us pretty good in Romans chapters 7 and 8
how the process is done and Hebrews chapters 7 and 8 confirms it for us
in Romans 7 , Paul using himself as a example ,we being a slave to sin and by the Law of Moses [misistration of death ] exposes our nakedness [lack for a better word ] and sentence [ debt owed]
and our sacrifices are a reasonable service , praises to God the fruit of our lips , etc , love one another , well being for all whom confess Christ , we owe Jesus Christ our lives and cheif Place in our hearts , no longer sin having dominion over us
hope this can answer a little of what you ask perhaps , its what I believe GOD BLESS ..
peace in Christ C

 

[billwald]

If there is a new temple and sacrifices then God has chosen Judaism over Christianity.

 

[ahiggs]

If there is a new temple and sacrifices then God has chosen Judaism over Christianity.

not necessarily...christiianity should be an extention of judaism. we are to be grafted into that vine. i think there is a physical temple that will be built, or God would not have been so specific in the vision given to ezekiel. he wrote for an entire chapter about it(chap 40)

 

[cyberlizard]

If there is a new temple and sacrifices then God has chosen Judaism over Christianity.

this shows a belief that jesus came to create a new religion with himself at the centre. It seems to argue that judaism is now obselete and irreleveant ... but this cannot really be proven.

look what paul said near the end of acts and also in philipians (i think it was).... he described hmself as a pharisee (in the present tense), he also offered temple sacrifices long after his 'apparent conversion' to a new religion, but strangely he said, 'imitate me as I imitate christ'.... jesus was an observant Jew (and so was Paul in the better traits and practices of Gamli'el).

But even if we discount the above comments I have made.... there will be a new temple, built of living stones, namely the ekklesia. There will be sacrifices, even if those sacrifces are the 'bulls' of our lips.

Steve


what exactly did jesus say about the ends times (if anything)... where temple references about it being cast down and those being the last days fulfilled in ad.69, or should we expect it to be rebuilt for the anti-christ before jesus returns.... all these and any more awkward questions exist which need quality answers (and there mostly found in the OT - and that's the problem, we end up arguing about literal/symbolic ideas (but we can do the same with jesus' & the apostles teaching as well.))

 

[ahiggs]

this shows a belief that jesus came to create a new religion with himself at the centre. It seems to argue that judaism is now obselete and irreleveant ... but this cannot really be proven.

look what paul said near the end of acts and also in philipians (i think it was).... he described hmself as a pharisee (in the present tense), he also offered temple sacrifices long after his 'apparent conversion' to a new religion, but strangely he said, 'imitate me as I imitate christ'.... jesus was an observant Jew (and so was Paul in the better traits and practices of Gamli'el).

But even if we discount the above comments I have made.... there will be a new temple, built of living stones, namely the ekklesia. There will be sacrifices, even if those sacrifces are the 'bulls' of our lips.

Steve


what exactly did jesus say about the ends times (if anything)... where temple references about it being cast down and those being the last days fulfilled in ad.69, or should we expect it to be rebuilt for the anti-christ before jesus returns.... all these and any more awkward questions exist which need quality answers (and there mostly found in the OT - and that's the problem, we end up arguing about literal/symbolic ideas (but we can do the same with jesus' & the apostles teaching as well.))

have you any thougths of why the scarfices though? i have a theory but it is truly just a theory

 

[cyberlizard]

which sacrifices specifically....

do you mean the tamid (the continual offering, which the scriptures say the anti-christ will put an end too), the korbanot (or free will offerings in their various types including sin offerings) or the yom kippurim (the day of atonements (in the plural)).

we need to be very specific as not all these sacrifices are offered from sin, and there are many forms of korbanot.


Steve

 

[ahiggs]

Ezekiel 40
39And in the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to slay thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Ezekiel 45

18 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “In the first month, on the first day of the month, you shall take a young bull without blemish and cleanse the sanctuary. 19 The priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering and put it on the doorposts of the temple, on the four corners of the ledge of the altar, and on the gateposts of the gate of the inner court. 20 And so you shall do on the seventh day of the month for everyone who has sinned unintentionally or in ignorance. Thus you shall make atonement for the temple.
21 “In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall observe the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22 And on that day the prince shall prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bull for a sin offering. 23 On the seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bulls and seven rams without blemish, daily for seven days, and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering. 24 And he shall prepare a grain offering of one ephah for each bull and one ephah for each ram, together with a hin of oil for each ephah.
25 “In the seventh month, on the fifteenth day of the month, at the feast, he shall do likewise for seven days, according to the sin offering, the burnt offering, the grain offering, and the oil.”

these are where it talks of the offerings to be made