Sacred Scriptures

[razeontherock]

George Washington were Freemasons. They too, were Deists.

This statement simply does jibe with his prayer habit.

 

[Avelina777]

This statement simply does jibe with his prayer habit.

He actually was a free mason but not to the degree of the elite group and what that is all about basically satan worship, worship of this world and money driven, Washington was just part of the outer ring which he had no idea which most free mason's don't of what really goes on. Washington was a great Christian.

 

[razeontherock]

"the Man is the head of the Woman, as Christ is the head of the Church". Does that sentence ring any bells?

Yup. I understand it too. You and Smaneck both have it as being against you

But at the end of the day, Christianity had slipped back into rampant patriarchy by the end of the 1st century, marginalizing and sometimes even actively demonizing the female followers of Christ. (Hence, the Catholic tradition that the Magdalen was a prostitute - an allegation that cannot be supported by scripture, and isn't shared by the EO Church.)

Scripture and Tradition are two different things. Just when I needed another reason to stay away from it

If you have info on this from between 70 AD - 150 AD, I'd like to know where you got it from ...

 

[razeontherock]

Ladies and gentlemen, although I do respect the organic flow of discussion, may I beseech you not to turn this thread into a "Christianity vs. Islam"-flame war, and remind you that we are talking about sacred scriptures, NOT about whether there's more extremism in the Muslim world than elsewhere?

Hear hear. Here. [So many threads all running together]

 

[razeontherock]

Instead of just repeating some cryptic allusions to give yourself the sheen of wisdom, how about actually spelling out what you're talking about here?

Nothing of that points to the exclusive validity that Christianity claims for itself, though. It merely seizes upon motifs that are a part of the common spiritual heritage of mankind.

Bolded phrase: Grace is freely given to all. Didn't realize you didn't know about the above confirmation of the Gospel in the stars, removing it from text of dubious origin. Maybe I can get someone to drum you up a link ...

 

[Avelina777]

If you have info on this from between 70 AD - 150 AD, I'd like to know where you got it from ...

Me too

 

[Avelina777]

Bolded phrase: Grace is freely given to all. Didn't realize you didn't know about the above confirmation of the Gospel in the stars, removing it from text of dubious origin. Maybe I can get someone to drum you up a link ...

Well God did write it all in the stars...not astrology, biblical astronomy, God taught Enoch, Enoch taught Noah, Noah and Shem taught Abraham and there is evidence in the Bible perhaps you all should read the Glory of the stars by E. Raymond Capt, you can get it for free at www.teachingfaith.com and email and ask for a copy, no gimmics nobody wrote it in my church, my pastor just met him when he was young, you can also by it on amazon. I highly suggest you read this book.

 

[Zoness]

Enochian magic and occult theory is what got me largely into my current religious beliefs. Esoteric secrets held within the stars are quite fascinating. I love mystical and occult stuff.

 

[Avelina777]

Enochian magic and occult theory is what got me largely into my current religious beliefs. Esoteric secrets held within the stars are quite fascinating. I love mystical and occult stuff.

You are obviously not reading what I said, NOT OCCULT, occult is astrology, this is BIBLICAL ASTRONOMY, you have to realize there is a HUGE difference! God wrote the stars, not some weird occult.

 

[Zoness]

You are obviously not reading what I said, NOT OCCULT, occult is astrology, this is BIBLICAL ASTRONOMY, you have to realize there is a HUGE difference! God wrote the stars, not some weird occult.

No need to freak out, it's not a bad thing. I'm not sure if you are understanding the definition of the word occult, though. In fact, I consider it a very good thing. Something interesting enough for me to read in fact, at least until I get spammed to convert. Let's call it Esoteric Mysticism then (a title I rather like it sounds fancy ) God/gods/spirits/the universe has neat little things hidden everywhere, it's all quite fun hunting.

 

[Avelina777]

No need to freak out, it's not a bad thing. I'm not sure if you are understanding the definition of the word occult, though. In fact, I consider it a very good thing. Something interesting enough for me to read in fact, at least until I get spammed to convert. Let's call it Esoteric Mysticism then (a title I rather like it sounds fancy ) God/gods/spirits/the universe has neat little things hidden everywhere, it's all quite fun hunting.

Understand but the occult is not something good amongst Christians...no offense...understand where I am coming from and there is a big difference to with what I was saying, astrology and astronomy not even in the same ballpark.

 

[Zoness]

Understand but the occult is not something good amongst Christians...no offense...understand where I am coming from and there is a big difference to with what I was saying, astrology and astronomy not even in the same ballpark.

Yeah, we are on two different wavelengths here. As an ametur astronomer (NASA PLEASE HIRE ME LOL) I understand and agree.

 

[razeontherock]

No need to freak out

Let's call it Esoteric Mysticism then (a title I rather like it sounds fancy ) God/gods/spirits/the universe has neat little things hidden everywhere, it's all quite fun hunting.

No, we absolutely need to freak out!

There. Now we can get on with the stars ...

 

[Zoness]

No, we absolutely need to freak out!

There. Now we can get on with the stars ...

Glad you got that out of your system. Are we all back to our happy place yet?

 

[Avelina777]

No, we absolutely need to freak out!

There. Now we can get on with the stars ...

Yes thank you...would you like me to repost?

 

[razeontherock]

Glad you got that out of your system. Are we all back to our happy place yet?

No. I need to see the stars!

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Enochian magic and occult theory is what got me largely into my current religious beliefs. Esoteric secrets held within the stars are quite fascinating. I love mystical and occult stuff.

:: Busts out with first Enochian Key:::

Ol sonf vorsg, goho Iad balt, lansh calz vonpho: sobra z-ol ror i ta Nazpad Graa ta Malprg Ds hol-q Qaa nothoa zimz Od commah ta nobloh zien: Soba thil gnonp prge aldi Od vrbs oboleh grsam Casarm ohorela caba pir Od zonrensg cab erm Iadnah Pilah farzm zurza adna Ds gono Iadpil Ds hom Od toh Soba Ipam lu Ipamis Ds loholo vep zomd Poamal Od bogpa aai ta piap piamo-i od vaoan ZACARe c-a od ZAMRAM Odo cicle Qaa Zorge, Lap zirdo Noco MAD Hoath Iaida.

Or if you prefer it spelled out phonetically:

Ol sonuf vaoresaji, gohu IAD Balata, elanusaha caelazod: sobrazod-ol Roray i ta nazodapesad, Giraa ta maelpereji, das hoel-qo qaa notahoa zodimezod, od comemahe ta nobeloha zodien; soba tahil ginonupe pereje aladi, das vaurebes obolehe giresam. Causarem ohorela caba Pire: das zodonurenusagi cab: erem Iadanahe. Pilahe farezodem zodenurezoda adana gono Iadapiel das home-tohe: soba ipame lu ipamis: das sobolo vepe zodomeda poamal, od bogira aai ta piape Piamoel od Vaoan! Zodacare, eca, od zodameranu! odo cicale Qaa; zodoreje, lape zodiredo Noco Mada, Hoathahe I A I D A!

Or Translated into English:

I reign over you, says the God of Justice, in power exalted above the firmaments of wrath: in whose hands the Sun is as a sword and the Moon as a through thrusting fire: which measures your garments in the midst of my vestures, and trussed you together as the palms of my hands: whose seats I garnished with the fire of gathering, and beautified your garments with admiration. To whom I made a law to govern the holy ones and delivered you a rod with the ark of knowledge. Moreover you lifted up your voices and swore obedience and faith to him that lives and triumphs, whose beginning is not, nor end can not be, which shines as a flame in the midst of your palace, and reigns amongst you as the balance of righteousness and truth. Move, therefore, and show yourselves: open the Mysteries of your Creation: Be friendly unto me: for I am the servant of the same your God, the true worshipper of the Highest.

 

[Avelina777]

No. I need to see the stars!

Well it will take awhile to read them ray, but start with this book, like i said request it for free or I have a free copy for you, let me know.

 

[Avelina777]

:: Busts out with first Enochian Key:::

Ol sonf vorsg, goho Iad balt, lansh calz vonpho: sobra z-ol ror i ta Nazpad Graa ta Malprg Ds hol-q Qaa nothoa zimz Od commah ta nobloh zien: Soba thil gnonp prge aldi Od vrbs oboleh grsam Casarm ohorela caba pir Od zonrensg cab erm Iadnah Pilah farzm zurza adna Ds gono Iadpil Ds hom Od toh Soba Ipam lu Ipamis Ds loholo vep zomd Poamal Od bogpa aai ta piap piamo-i od vaoan ZACARe c-a od ZAMRAM Odo cicle Qaa Zorge, Lap zirdo Noco MAD Hoath Iaida.

Or if you prefer it spelled out phonetically:

Ol sonuf vaoresaji, gohu IAD Balata, elanusaha caelazod: sobrazod-ol Roray i ta nazodapesad, Giraa ta maelpereji, das hoel-qo qaa notahoa zodimezod, od comemahe ta nobeloha zodien; soba tahil ginonupe pereje aladi, das vaurebes obolehe giresam. Causarem ohorela caba Pire: das zodonurenusagi cab: erem Iadanahe. Pilahe farezodem zodenurezoda adana gono Iadapiel das home-tohe: soba ipame lu ipamis: das sobolo vepe zodomeda poamal, od bogira aai ta piape Piamoel od Vaoan! Zodacare, eca, od zodameranu! odo cicale Qaa; zodoreje, lape zodiredo Noco Mada, Hoathahe I A I D A!

Or Translated into English:

I reign over you, says the God of Justice, in power exalted above the firmaments of wrath: in whose hands the Sun is as a sword and the Moon as a through thrusting fire: which measures your garments in the midst of my vestures, and trussed you together as the palms of my hands: whose seats I garnished with the fire of gathering, and beautified your garments with admiration. To whom I made a law to govern the holy ones and delivered you a rod with the ark of knowledge. Moreover you lifted up your voices and swore obedience and faith to him that lives and triumphs, whose beginning is not, nor end can not be, which shines as a flame in the midst of your palace, and reigns amongst you as the balance of righteousness and truth. Move, therefore, and show yourselves: open the Mysteries of your Creation: Be friendly unto me: for I am the servant of the same your God, the true worshipper of the Highest.

Uh huh and where did you get that from and if you say the book of Enoch which version because there is only one correct one!!

 

[Ishraqiyun]

It was supposedly given to John Dee and Edward Kelly from angelic beings. It's not from any of the old apocryphal books attributed to Enoch. Enochian magic came along later.