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Sacraments in Acts

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Hi everyone I've been thinking about some passages from the bible and it seems to me as if they deny Catholic teaching on the Sacraments. Now I don't think that they actually do but that I simply don't understand, however I plan on posting my dilemma in the hopes someone here can explain to me where I go wrong. So here I go. First of all I'd like to ask a question that I think the answer to is yes and the only reason I really ask is because if it is no ( which I'm almost positive it isn't) then dilemma solved. So does the church teach that the Holy Spirit enters someone on their baptism with water?

Now like I said I'm almost positive that the answer is yes but I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. So my continuing questions are assuming I was right about the first question. So in Acts 8:9-18 it says that Philip baptizes these people in the name of Jesus and then because they haven't received the Holy Spirit the apostles Peter and John come to lay hands on them. Now I assume that the laying on of hands this case could be equated with Confirmation but it sounds as if it is saying that the Holy Spirit is being received at Confirmation rather than simply his complete gifts. Now it says that they where baptized in the name of Jesus. In my mind this leaves the possibility that they weren’t baptized correctly so only their sins where forgiven but if this is true would they not need to be baptized again before being confirmed? Or if the baptism was valid and the wording is just funny does that mean they didn't receive the Holy Spirit at their baptism? And if so does that disagree with church teaching? The same thing seems to be said in Acts 19:5-6. But in Acts 2:3-8 it seems as if the opposite is true and the Holy Sprit is received on baptism. Sorry If My above Ideas are a little jumbled but I’m really confused on the whole matter. :help:
 

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The conflict is that is seems to be saying that you don't receive the Holy Spirit at baptism but rather at Confirmation? when I thought you recieve the Holy Spirit at Baptism and his complete gifts at confirmation
 
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JJM said:
The conflict is that is seems to be saying that you don't receive the Holy Spirit at baptism but rather at Confirmation? when I thought you recieve the Holy Spirit at Baptism and his complete gifts at confirmation

No, the Church teaches that we receive the Holy Spirit at Confirmation, not at Baptism. These paasages are further evidence of that fact. :)
 
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Rising_Suns said:
No, the Church teaches that we receive the Holy Spirit at Confirmation, not at Baptism. These paasages are further evidence of that fact. :)
Oh thanks guess I was wrong thanks.
 
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doesn't the catechism say that

"1265 Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte "a new creature," an adopted son of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature,"69 member of Christ and co-heir with him,70 and a temple of the Holy Spirit.71 "

Doesn't thaty mean we recieve the Holy Spirit is recieved at Baptism. and I have always been taught that you recieve the Holy Sprirt at batism are you saying that everyonr who has ever taught me theology has been wrong?
 
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Paul S said:
We fully receive the Holy Ghost at Confirmation, but we are all filled with Him whenever we are in a state of grace, as we are immediately after baptism.
Ok I guess that makes more sense both of you guys have been a great help. I'm goona make an appointment with the chaplain at my school to talk this over with him so I can get all the kinks out. But I think I get it now.
 
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And to further complicate things, Eastern Catholics (and the Orthodox) receive baptism, confirmation (they call it chrismation) and first Communion all at the same time, even for infants.

In the Roman rite, those above the age of reason receive all three, but those baptised as infants do not. At my parish, we have one girl who hasn't been baptised, but since she's 9, she'll be confirmed at the Easter Vigil instead of waiting until 8th grade.
 
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