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The Sabbath observance has been done away with in Christ ! He is the True Jew's Sabbath Rest.
Col 2:
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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This is why. He thinks Galatians is best. He believes we are Judaizers and this is the conclusion of Galatians. Even if Galatians contradicts YHWH and Yahshua because
The Judaizers who bewitched the Galatians (3:1) were telling them that Pauls apostleship and message were not trustworthy because he lacked official endorsement from Jerusalem. We have our credentials from Peter! they would say, as though the approval of men is proof that a preacher is sent of God. Paul begins his letter by affirming that his message and ministry came directly from Jesus Christ. (Note Pauls use of not neither in vv. 1, 12, and 17.) He immediately spells out the Gospel that he preached.
Pauls Gospel was centered in ChristHis death, burial, and resurrectionand not in Moses or the Law. It was a Gospel of grace that brought peace. It was a Gospel of liberty: that He might deliver us (v. 4). The Judaizers were bringing the churches into bondage through the Law (see 2:4; 3:13; 4:9). Christs death has delivered us from this present evil age and has given us a new standing in liberty (5:1ff). No wonder Paul adds, To whom be glory for ever and ever! (v. 5)
May we never be confused as to the content and intent of the Gospel. The Gospel is not follow Christ and imitate His life but receive Christ by faith and allow Him to set you free. There is no place in the Gospel for a salvation that is attained by keeping the Law.
Wiersbe, W. W. (1997). Wiersbe's expository outlines on the New Testament (516). Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books.
So they take it even a step further and if you find anything in the Law or figure that the law was there for a reason and that is full of great information and you are willing to practice your Sabbath on the 7th day as per YHWH, are not willing to practice the pagan holidays of Christmas, and Easter but see the significance of practicing YHWH feast knowing that they have a deeper meaning and that the followers of the way did practice all of these it was not until the roman paganism with the advent of the universal church came along that it became wide spread to practice the day of the unconquerable sun, the day of Astarte and the day when the Son of the Sun is born. Then we must be not relying on Jesus' salvation and are enslaving ourselves to the Law. Because they are free to practice any pagan days or practices as long as their heart is in the right place because they are free to do what ever their spirit tells them because god wrote the law on their hearts. So if they feel good about praising god thru pagan ways instead of god's way it is ok even if god said it was not in the "OLD TESTAMENT" because we are "FREE" to do what ever we like of course as long as it is moral because the "spirit " would not let us feel good about doing something bad. So this is why this argument will go on forever.
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I never said those laws were nailed to the cross. Do you really read with the intend to learn or understand or simply just to find errors. Your question is also not smart. The wages of sin is death. That is the ultimate punishment for sin. In the days when Israel had no King, God have civil laws by the hand of Moses. In our day and age when we have our government's they make those civil laws. It was never God's intentional that non-religious governments rule us but since Israel decided they wanted to follow the world and have a King then their civil authority came from him. That is why when Jesus came he said to give unto Cesear what belongs to him and to God what belongs to God. The United States was founded upon 2 principles namely Civil and Religious Liberty. God's intention now is that those principles be upheld and civil powers do not make laws violating religious freedom. Back in the days of Moses there was no separation of church and state therefore God had to give laws to govern both their religious and civil behavior.
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What part of renewed don't you understand? It's the same as if I changed the engine of a regular car with an engine of a race car. It can be considered new not like the old, not like anything seen before, so it still comes from the old. I don't know what you don't get about that,. It seems pretty self explanatory to me. Renewed better than the old.
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I perfectly understand the word renewed. Jeremiah does not say or intend to say renewed. Paul was probably the most learned scholar concerning the Scriptures and he uses the word kainos in quoting Jeremiah. He does no use the word neos.
So I have no idea how you gather that Jeremiah is talking about a renewed covenant. Furthermore Jeremeiah states very plainly that the new covenant is not like the old one you try to renew. Jeremiah says the covenant is different not moved. Jeremiah also changes terms form covenant to law or My law. This to me shows further seperation. I do not think that Jeremiah is interchanging terms to mean the same thing.
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This play on words is rather childish. To renew is to take something that is old and make it new. In other words, you will take out whatever has to be removed and replace it with better parts. That is exactly what we are told in Hebrews 8 - 10. It does not mean that everything in the old has to be replaced. Hebrews 8 - 10 tells us what was replaced. The Sabbath is not mentioned and neither is the 10 commandments.
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The scripture your posted does not support your statement. The text is not even referring to the weekly Sabbath day. If you start from verse 14 at least you would get a better understanding.
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So the laws from the first covenant were not "His Laws"? You really close your mind to the truth. Why do you think Jeremiah says that this time, we won't have to teach each other what the law is. It is because it will be in our hearts. The first time it was on stone and therefore they had to teach the law to each other. Which law would God have been referring to in Jeremiah? Why don't you tell us which law it is.
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Jer 31:31-34 does state a renewed Firstly, the only difference between his khä·däsh' and khä·dash' is the masoretic vowel pointing, which means absolutely nothing (He’s referring to Strong’s #H2318 and #H2319 for reference sakes) for they both look exactly the same in Paleo-Hebrew, although one is a verb (#H2318) and the other an adjective (#H2319). It should be noted that both these words are used in reference to the “New moon”. Is there a completely different moon every month? No, there isn’t. It just means it’s come around again, even though it’s still the same moon. and the Corresponding Kainos does not mean just new never existing before it can also be comparative meaning new superior than before and when taken in context with Jer 31:31-34 it is superior covenant for it to be written on our hearts.
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Did you ask this in the post I responded to: After Jesus died to save me for my sins would I have other God's or make graven images? This prompted me to ask what god's do you think the we grace pushers are serving by worshipping on Sunday? Your church teaches that we worship satan calling him God.
Frogster is committed to pushing the issue on this very issue and so am I. We just do it differently. When you can show that verse in the NT that states we are wrong, we will continue to push this issue. Frogster has been here much longer than me. Hey bugkiller, who seems to have disappeared, also is in this group. Can't wait till he comes back if he does.
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Where is this?
Not in context. This is a misrepresentation of what Jesus said. I have discussed this twice in this thread. I can repeat it if necessary.
So why do you think others worship God on Sunday? Is it because they hate and mock God? I don't think so.
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Sure there were also traditions there... BUT.
One question, were all our sins forgiven, because the traditions were nailed to the cross, or the law?
13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross
Shows the context was torah, hence they can no longer be judged, for not keeping sabbath either.
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Foreigener refers to Gentile, goyim -non Isrealites who are forbidden to partakein strictly religious rites. The sabbath is both a religious rite and a civil law aspresented in the Torah.
And your example is both outside the Torah and the prophets.
Only in Isreal and by foreigners/strangers to the covenant when within the gates of an Isrealite. See the 4th commandment Ex 20:8-11.
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Well..no one else can answer this, so I thought maybe you will.
Why did Paul use the Abrahamic cov, that is for Jew and Gentile, to ward off those who pushed the Mosaic cov, that had all the laws in it?
17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
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You must be off in lala land or something. This does not show how Frogster is misrepresenting or misquoting anything. I asked you a direct question. Should I not expect a direct answer relating to my question? Or should I understand you are an SDA who has no answer because they can not think for themselves?
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[I'll make a short parenthesis here. There is something that crossed my mind now that I was reading the Greek version of the verse above.
The word "is" from v.17 is not in Greek thus it should be read as following: "Let no man therefore judge you in eating or in drinking or in respect of an feast or of the new moon or of the sabbath days which are a shadow of things to come but the body of Christ"
In Greek it's the same phrase as the one found in Ephesians 4:12 for example: "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ".
I Colossians the 'body of Christ' is identified as the Church, but really ... this is so basic but I'll put the verse anyway just in case:
"And He is the Head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence." (Col 1:18)
And I was thinking ... what if that the meaning could be different? Since the verb "is" is not found in Greek the sentence could have a difference meaning. For example: "Let no man therefore judge you in eating or in drinking or in respect of an feast or of the new moon or of the sabbath days which are a shadow of things to come but the body of Christ", that is, the Church, should do the judging. Thinking about it, when he says "let no man judge you ...", well, maybe he was going to tell later who was the one going to judge. It seems pretty plausible to me since the "body of Christ is the Church" as seen in 1v18. So it could look like this: "Let no man therefore judge you [...] but [let] the body of Christ (that is, the Church) [do the judging]". I don't know much about history but perhaps outsiders were judging them regarding those things and Paul is telling them that the Church itself is to do the judging. Anyway, I am really assuming stuff here.
Anyway, this is just a thought, and I didn't really think too much about it, but it passed trough my head now. Regarding the verse in Ephesians I just checked the concordance on the word 'body' to see if there is another group of words like "the body of Christ" somewhere else in the NT to see if the Greek there is the same as in Colossians 2:17. So this is just a thought of mine, don't give it too much importance.]
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What? Oh not agreeing with you. I love my liberty in Christ Jesus to much to take up the bondage of the law. And I choose to be obedient and throw it out. Gal 4:30 So sorry it sticks in your kraw.
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