Sabbath was made for man

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

from scratch said:
No Moses says the Sabbath was given to a limited group of people and even states why. You have Jesus saying this isn't so. One of them is lying according to your philosophy.

You just interpreted Moses wrong is all, you see of course Moses would tell them the Sabbath was for them as they were who he was speaking to and leading since it was for man and not just them.

It was the one who was the pre-incarnate in Christ that gave Moses that law!

He didn't change anything He set forth as He never changes,

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

To add a little prophetic thought to the discussion,

Da 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

It is of course Satan who magnifies himself to the Prince, LORD, Jesus Christ. Of which time that is fairly close and getting into "the daily taken away" won't get into that here, but into "the place of His Sanctuary cast down."

These are yet future but the workings of the evil one has brought all very close.

Now "The Place of His Sanctuary Cast Down" is the place in time, the Holy Sabbath Day that God comes to tabernacle with His True ones and Satan will see to it that it is. It is now a fast moving movement that can be seen by wide awake observers and right interpretations of His Word that can see this.

We are arriving at this time hard and fast NOW!

Da 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Da 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Re 1:3 ¶ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

Since there is little action here today I will post some verses that Sunday keeping folks would thrill in if they had such in their favor

Mt28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mr1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Mr15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Mr16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Lu4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Lu4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

Lu13:10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

Lu23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Ac17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Ac18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Now that last verse means the Son of man is God even of the Sabbath day. You will notice He did not say, LORD even of the 1'st day, which shows the Seventh or Sabbath is special!

Yes it is His Creation, He made a Seven day solar wk. and made the Seventh His Holy day, Hallowing it for a day of rest for all mankind and the Heavenly Host also as Enoch reveals in his writings. He states it was in Heaven before earth.

It makes one think more than twice!

from scratch · Jul 12, 2014

Gibs said:
You just interpreted Moses wrong is all, you see of course Moses would tell them the Sabbath was for them as they were who he was speaking to and leading since it was for man and not just them.

Oh. Please explain this verse -

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ex 31

It was the one who was the pre-incarnate in Christ that gave Moses that law!

This must be opinion because the Book of the Law won't support it. Neither will the Gospel of John.

He didn't change anything He set forth as He never changes,

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If we take your position Jeremiah is lying. There can be no new covenant. Heb 7:12 right along with 8:6-13 are also lies.

from scratch · Jul 12, 2014

Gibs said:
To add a little prophetic thought to the discussion,

Da 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

It is of course Satan who magnifies himself to the Prince, LORD, Jesus Christ. Of which time that is fairly close and getting into "the daily taken away" won't get into that here, but into "the place of His Sanctuary cast down."

These are yet future but the workings of the evil one has brought all very close.

Now "The Place of His Sanctuary Cast Down" is the place in time, the Holy Sabbath Day that God comes to tabernacle with His True ones and Satan will see to it that it is. It is now a fast moving movement that can be seen by wide awake observers and right interpretations of His Word that can see this.

We are arriving at this time hard and fast NOW!

Da 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Da 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Re 1:3 ¶ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Scratch runs (well sloshes at this point) to the house for his shoulder waders.

from scratch · Jul 12, 2014

Gibs said:
Since there is little action here today I will post some verses that Sunday keeping folks would thrill in if they had such in their favor

Mt28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mr1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Mr15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Mr16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Lu4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Lu4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

Lu13:10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

Lu23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Ac17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Ac18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Now that last verse means the Son of man is God even of the Sabbath day. You will notice He did not say, LORD even of the 1'st day, which shows the Seventh or Sabbath is special!

Yes it is His Creation, He made a Seven day solar wk. and made the Seventh His Holy day, Hallowing it for a day of rest for all mankind and the Heavenly Host also as Enoch reveals in his writings. He states it was in Heaven before earth.

It makes one think more than twice!

So why do you think these passages are in your favor?

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

from scratch said:
So why do you think these passages are in your favor?

A Heh, Heh and a heh, heh!

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

from scratch said:
Scratch runs (well sloshes at this point) to the house for his shoulder waders.

No you don't need them waders, you need to get into the prophecies and get them opened to you by His Spirit of Truth!

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: "and he will shew you things to come".

You may mark the interpretation that I gave you, it is for sure OK.

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

from scratch said:
Oh. Please explain this verse -

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ex 31This must be opinion because the Book of the Law won't support it. Neither will the Gospel of John.If we take your position Jeremiah is lying. There can be no new covenant. Heb 7:12 right along with 8:6-13 are also lies.

Well the New Testament and all the verses I posted shows you that Jews and Gentiles alike who were converted were keeping Sabbath.

We are Jews if we are inwardly and so become the children of Israel.

Ro 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Elder 111 · Jul 12, 2014

from scratch said:
How can a fault be attributed to the law? Sin preceded it. I never said the law was the problem and have no idea why you think I've done so. You appear to think I'm attacking the law.

That is the reason you always used in arguing for the removal of the law. If there is no problem with the law, what is the reason you have for it removal? What is the biblical definition of sin if not the violation of the law?

BobRyan · Jul 12, 2014

VictorC said:
I don't think you recognize the magnitude of Gibs' post. He's equating God with satan, much as Ellen White did with the Great Controversy theme.

Making stuff up is not the most compelling form of debate - as we all know -- so why keep doing it?

in Christ,

Bob

BobRyan · Jul 12, 2014

Gibs said:
Well now, Scratch, Moses and the Prophets all say the same of the Sabbath down to the last one.

Satan is the liar who beguiles man and this is one of his blatant outstanding ones.

that is true - and pretty much everyone agrees on that point.

But don't be too surprised if even a simple direct point such as that - gets bent around at some point during this thread.

in Christ,

Bob

from scratch · Jul 12, 2014

BobRyan said:
Making stuff up is not the most compelling form of debate - as we all know -- so why keep doing it?

in Christ,

Bob

Following your lead.

from scratch · Jul 12, 2014

BobRyan said:
that is true - and pretty much everyone agrees on that point.

But don't be too surprised if even a simple direct point such as that - gets bent around at some point during this thread.

in Christ,

Bob

Please explain how your understand of MK 2:27 agrees with Ex 31:13.

Sophrosyne · Jul 12, 2014

from scratch said:
Following your lead.

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

Sophrosyne said:

Ah but you give a thumbs up to Scratch and he says following your lead to Bob.

Well that would be very good, but, HMMM, Bob keeps the Sabbath, ask him.

I'm elated to hear that!

disciple1 · Jul 12, 2014

Galatians chapter 2 verse 21 If righteousness could be gained by the law Christ died for nothing.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6 The only thing that counts if faith expressing itself in love.

Gibs · Jul 12, 2014

disciple1 said:
Galatians chapter 2 verse 21 If righteousness could be gained by the law Christ died for nothing.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6 The only thing that counts if faith expressing itself in love.

For sure righteousness don't come by the law as the law is but the school master of the law of love. It is to alert you to any infractions.

If it has convicted a person of any it is time to get down on the knees and repent and be forgiven

Love alone is the fulfilling of the law as it must be a service of love from the heart and obedience the same is a service of love from the heart.

Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Na 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

from scratch · Jul 12, 2014

Gibs said:
Ah but you give a thumbs up to Scratch and he says following your lead to Bob.

Well that would be very good, but, HMMM, Bob keeps the Sabbath, ask him.

I'm elated to hear that!

Right on par you are. Unfortunately that isn't what was said. You changed the subject. ehehehehehawhe Oh an BTW ol' Bob doesn't keep the Sabbath as outlined on the stone tablets.

Sophrosyne · Jul 12, 2014

Gibs said:
Ah but you give a thumbs up to Scratch and he says following your lead to Bob.

Well that would be very good, but, HMMM, Bob keeps the Sabbath, ask him.

I'm elated to hear that!

Nobody really "keeps" the Sabbath as you would have to turn off all power and turn off the water and gas to your house and stay at home and nobody here has ever admitted to doing so here. The fact you are posting on the Sabbath yourself shows you breaking it also.

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