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Where do you see in the bible that the Sabbath was a shadow?Well, you have the liberty to observe the former shadow of the Sabbath, but bear in mind that such observance isn't keeping the Sabbath Holy according to the Law that ordained it (the Levitical priesthood requisite for the burnt offerings doesn't serve you). Many of us concede God's redemption, and acknowledge entrance into His rest that the Sabbath was designed to lead those under the Law towards. Once we have the permanent reality of God's rest, what use is the shadow that led us there?Galatians 3Acknowledging God's redemption in Jesus Christ shows our state of faith having come to fruition. The Law designed to drive us there has served its purpose and doesn't retain us any longer.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
I see you aren't SDA. Good. Did you know the SDA church relies on a mistranslation in the KJV? Granted, reliance on any English translation in how it renders another language isn't a good idea.
No I just think that stiffer fines should be levied.Is it that because most people breaks the speed limit at sometime does that mean that it is or should be abolished?
Nope!When God gave the ten commandments was it that it was kept by the patriarchs at that time?
Perfect keeping has nothing to do with the law. The purpose of the law is to legally punish evil doers. In the case of the law issued at Sinai the purpose is to administer mercy to all - Rom 11:32. I know full well you won't buy anything I said and that'd fine. I've no hope in reaching you with the truth.I ask these questions because it seems that because the law is not perfectly kept that that is a reason to get rid of it or that it was gotten rid of because of that reason.
Explain!
God did just exactly that and its refused by some as a lie. Some here equate the law as God."Where do you see in the bible that the Sabbath was a shadow?" Yes Elder 111 that is a good question.
Also I would like to see the scripture that God changed His Law as I know if He did, He would have flat out, square and fair came right out and laid it out so any one, even half awake would have seen it!
All we get is lame excuses and made up malarkey!
That's cause you own it, silly.I will let you two fellows go and see if you can sell the old bridge out there in the desert.
I am not buying but you may be able to find one who will. Meanwhile Yah is telling all,
Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them
From long discussions centering on Colossians 2, Mark 2, and Hebrews 4, you already know the Sabbath was a shadow that didn't provide God's rest, that "he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His". So, this is a diversion from the question I asked: Once we have the permanent reality of God's rest, what use is the shadow that led us there? In fact, you've demonstrated that you never had or have the Sabbath as a Gentile living in Barbados, something you conveniently forget each time you write a post.Where do you see in the bible that the Sabbath was a shadow?
There are at least two posts you haven't answered, which would have satisfied your question had you entered into discussion on this topic. You've no one to blame but yourself."Where do you see in the bible that the Sabbath was a shadow?" Yes Elder 111 that is a good question.
Also I would like to see the scripture that God changed His Law as I know if He did, He would have flat out, square and fair came right out and laid it out so any one, even half awake would have seen it!
All we get is lame excuses and made up malarkey!
Anyone referring to the context of your truncated quote knows that you aren't among the "them" indicated. What you've done by this appeal is show us that you don't consider yourself accounted as an adopted child of God.I will let you two fellows go and see if you can sell the old bridge out there in the desert.
I am not buying but you may be able to find one who will. Meanwhile Yah is telling all,
Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them
Of course these comments don't contribute to the designed purpose inherent in a discussion forum. It's just a common excuse to avoid defending your opinions.VictorC, It's a jolly good thing that you are not the judge that counts, all you can do and I am glad, is judge for yourself, as we all must do and it is important that we get it right as the Great one will, and each will bow the knee and confess His judgment is fair, even Satan will.
Few? There is no provision for "few" in God's disposition that addresses "all" without exception. Maybe you could read what I actually posted to you.It is the obedient that take Him at his Word and not try the wriggling and twisting around to try to abrogate it! It is the FEW that are obedient!
It becomes difficult to reconcile that claim with the rest of your post. You're also unwilling to extend the same liberty you claim to have to others who share in God's redemption.Oh, you need know I have that liberty, that is from God!
I'm not among those who claim that the Mosaic covenant Law changed in essence, seeing that Hebrews 7:12 suggests a change in location (or, jurisdiction) as the Greek metatithēmi is used to declare a 'change' in the Law according to Hebrews 7:12, consistent with the context. See the Blue Letter Bible for how this same term is used in other passages.I must let you know though that not one letter of the law is left off and never will be. Christ did not change His Father's law and He changes not also.
You could also follow on one more verse to v.20 in this same passage, and see that the righteousness the Pharisees and scribes appealed to from the Law isn't sufficient to gain eternal life. The fulfillment of the Law Jesus promised in His statement above is found in His propitiation, completing the demands of the Law in His atonement. That fulfillment demands a sacrifice without spot or blemish, which you and I aren't qualified to perform.Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
This follows the fallacy that the attributes of the Creator equal the attributes of the Law. God retained mercy to Himself. On the other hand, the Law demands atonement for reconciliation. For fun, take a look at Romans 11:32 in its context: For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.Some presume Christ set up a law different from what was in the beginning but that same one is in Christ in all fullness so that presumption don't ring out True at all.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Unrelated to the content. This doesn't form an argument worth consideration.2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Our day now is the greatest falling away from the true doctrine Christianity has ever known! There is no true disciple ship but in a very, very few and Jesus told us it would be but the few,
Men have presumptuously made the way so wide that but an extreme few would not find it, but hear Jesus,
Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
And you didn't even ask about what mistranslation I might have been referring to, showing no interest in the point I raised. But since you brought up your exhaustive knowledge of the Word of Hashem, tell me what Jesus was teaching Peter about limited jurisdiction from this passage found in Matthew 17:Brother I run the Greek and Hebrew with the KJV and know the infallible Word of my God!
24 When they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?Keep in mind the central message of the Gospel of God's adoption as His own children, no longer accounted as children of Israel or children of Gentile descent who were estranged apart from God during the tenure of the Law (see Ephesians 2:11-18).
25 He said, Yes.
And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?
26 Peter said to Him, From strangers.
Jesus said to him, Then the sons are free."
VictorC, you are a man of a lot of words, that I need to tell you don't pull me in.
Also God does tell us it is the few that find the way, read this short and to the point verse,
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[/COLOR]
I believe you've conceded your opinion to be irreconcilable with Scripture, which is the only Word I'm really concerned with. I'm not interested in ad hominem. I want to thank you for adding your unique inside view of the Sabbatarian mindset.
I don't have the list handy anymore, but isn't this used Dodge #16? After losing the argument the person engaged in, the random-verse generator Dodge comes into use. This one runs without oil, much as the 225ci slant-six established its reputation on.Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
VictorC, you are a man of a lot of words, that I need to tell you don't pull me in.
Also God does tell us it is the few that find the way, read this short and to the point verse,
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.[/COLOR]
Yeah we know someone else sucked you in big time and it isn't the Bible .
Unfortunately its not obedience to your amended law that counts. Truth is you're willfully disobedient to the law you preach about as found in Ex 20.VictorC, It's a jolly good thing that you are not the judge that counts, all you can do and I am glad, is judge for yourself, as we all must do and it is important that we get it right as the Great one will, and each will bow the knee and confess His judgment is fair, even Satan will.
It is the obedient that take Him at his Word and not try the wriggling and twisting around to try to abrogate it! It is the FEW that are obedient!
Yes, it was a Dodge, one of many we see on forums such as this one. Randomly posting a verse that asserts God's Word isn't going to fail -on the heels of posts asserting that His Word is meaningless- is especially embarrassing to your cause. Or, it should have been, if you remembered what you posted.VictorC,
No dodge Bro. just to let you know Yah changes not and is true of his Holy Word in regard to His Law. Once He speaks it gets the job done and He don't pull it back is what He is saying, changes it not!,
I had hoped you would catch that!
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