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Sabbath rest, tithes and such

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Much is assumed about tithing from Malachi, I think even because it is located in the Bible just before Matthew. It was written 450 years before Jesus.

Have you ever noticed how many times in the short writing of Malachi the Lord asks, "Why shall I accept your offering?" There are seven. So the book was not written to or about people who were not givers of offerings. Under Jewish tradition giving was not done until after tithes were paid, these tenths totaled 30% or more at times. Check the reasons He said He would not accept the offerings, it was because of matters of the heart.

We have thought Jehovah considered Himself robbed because money, etc. was not paid. If these guys were not paying He would have said so. Look at the last chapter and He says they robbed Him of their relationship with Him. This is confirmed by their behavior.

Now for the kicker, if He considered Himself robbed by those who obeyed in action only and the heart was far from Him and they were paying tithes, how were they cursed. Not because they did not pay but because they DID pay!!

Since the temple was destroyed and paying tithes involved the temple, the Jews were faced with a dilemma, with it gone beginning in 70AD, how is the paying of tithes to be fulfilled? The high priest of the time made a decree saying paying tithes could be fulfilled by acts of Tsedakah, righteousness. Acts of kindness prompted by the relationship with Father toward others who were in need. They were to meet the needs of others out of their increase. I bring this up because none of this looks like what the church proclaims as doctrine for tithing today. I know the church needs financial support but this subject causes more guilt than freedom and joy in giving.

Now, the only testimony I have ever heard concerning pay 10% of a persons income was the 90% seemed to go further. Huh? Is that the promised open windows and need of room to contain the blessing for the obedient? If we don't see the manifested promise of obedience for whatever arena we should check ourselves.

I think the bottom line for those who don't give is fear, maybe greed. For sure it is a heart issue which He is willing to heal and deliver wholeness, spirit, soul and body. Most of the "blessing" seen today in believers has been the result of hard work and being at the right place at the right time, there are no accidents. One of my pastors said once he had never seen a none tither who was blessed, really? Are all millionaires etc. Christian? How about sinner millionaires? Oh, the devil blesses them, the one who is said to have come to kill, steel and destroy? He can't go against his spirit nature.

How we fail to see the depth of His grace. The current teachings of tithing has accomplished one thing, it is just one more area for man to judge himself a failure. We have enough of that to go around.

Well actually ancient Israel in Malachi did not tithe righteously; she gave sick lambs and what would be detestable for governmental authorities to eat. In other words, Israel gave to the priests what she would not give the governor (Mal 1:13).

Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the LORD of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the LORD.

Precisely, if we were to include what we pay for taxes to the government, we would pay about 30% of our income.
 
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Well actually ancient Israel in Malachi did not tithe righteously; she gave sick lambs and what would be detestable for governmental authorities to eat. In other words, Israel gave to the priests what she would not give the governor (Mal 1:13).

Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the LORD of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the LORD.

Precisely, if we were to include what we pay for taxes to the government, we would pay about 30% of our income.
Yes, this is part of what is wrong. (btw, you mean Mal. 1:8, yes?) We give better gifts to others than we give to God ... and we give more thoughtfully and heartfelt than we do when we tear off 10% by mere obligation.

Good points.
 
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Tithe's and rest to me are like all things to me, Christ the end of the law. Since God's
desire is to be All in All (according to Paul), then these things we say , yes
this is good or yes this is not good or how about this or how about that find
there substance in Christ, the one hope of our calling.

 
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mercy1061

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Yes, this is part of what is wrong. (btw, you mean Mal. 1:8, yes?) We give better gifts to others than we give to God ... and we give more thoughtfully and heartfelt than we do when we tear off 10% by mere obligation.

Good points.

Now if ancient Israel did not tithe righteously; because she gave sick lambs to the priests; how can we be sure that we truly pay a tenth of what the ground produces in its strength? The pharisees were known for paying their tithes, they also criticized Yeshua the lawkeeper for not keeping the Sabbath holy, however they left the other weightier matters from the law undone like mercy, judgement, and faith (Matt 23:23)?

Is it lawful to show mercy to a sheep in trouble during the Sabbath?
 
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The answer to this is so simple if you rightly divide the scripture. If you are a jew and under the law, you should tithe. If you are under grace you should give as the LORD prospers you, as paul teaches. You determine in your own mind what you should give. Since I discovered this truth, I give more than I ever did and do it joyfully. It is not a bill I have to pay anymore. Go to Pauls wrintings for church doctrines since the Bible states over and over that he is the apostle to the Gentiles. When you mix up the teachings to the jews under law and the teachings to the Gentiles under grace you have the Bible contradicting itself..I am so thankful I am a dispensationalist. The Bible is like a new book to me and so much easier to understand. It answered so many questions that had bothered me and increased my faith. and the Bible does not contradict itself anymore. I don't know how I missed these facts for so many years. THey are taught so plainly that I wonder at being so blind and not seing them before I did.
 
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The answer to this is so simple if you rightly divide the scripture. If you are a jew and under the law, you should tithe. If you are under grace you should give as the LORD prospers you, as paul teaches. You determine in your own mind what you should give. Since I discovered this truth, I give more than I ever did and do it joyfully. It is not a bill I have to pay anymore. Go to Pauls wrintings for church doctrines since the Bible states over and over that he is the apostle to the Gentiles. When you mix up the teachings to the jews under law and the teachings to the Gentiles under grace you have the Bible contradicting itself..I am so thankful I am a dispensationalist. The Bible is like a new book to me and so much easier to understand. It answered so many questions that had bothered me and increased my faith. and the Bible does not contradict itself anymore. I don't know how I missed these facts for so many years. THey are taught so plainly that I wonder at being so blind and not seing them before I did.

Jesus still receives tithes today. No contradiction.
 
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The answer to this is so simple if you rightly divide the scripture. If you are a jew and under the law, you should tithe. If you are under grace you should give as the LORD prospers you, as paul teaches. You determine in your own mind what you should give. Since I discovered this truth, I give more than I ever did and do it joyfully. It is not a bill I have to pay anymore. Go to Pauls wrintings for church doctrines since the Bible states over and over that he is the apostle to the Gentiles. When you mix up the teachings to the jews under law and the teachings to the Gentiles under grace you have the Bible contradicting itself..I am so thankful I am a dispensationalist. The Bible is like a new book to me and so much easier to understand. It answered so many questions that had bothered me and increased my faith. and the Bible does not contradict itself anymore. I don't know how I missed these facts for so many years. THey are taught so plainly that I wonder at being so blind and not seing them before I did.
Amen!!
 
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Hi Jedi!! :wave:
Jesus still receives tithes today. No contradiction.
Depends upon what you mean by "tithes."

If you mean, as some in this thread have tried to say, that "NT" tithes can be whatever you joyously give, then there is no contradiction -- but then: don't call it a tithe.

If you mean what the Bible defines, then tithe is 10% -- move the decimal point, one out of ten, a tenth; it is NOT 9% or 11% or 5% or 20%. It is the tenth animal to pass under the rod; it is the best tenth of the harvest; it is the best tenth of the flock. But it is one out of ten. And there are (arguably) three tithes in the OT -- so your share should really be somewhere in the vicinity of 32%.

:sorry: sorry, couldn't resist.
 
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