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Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Doctrine always trumps scripture.
Can you prove Abraham read the 10C and purposed in his heart to keep them and then did? Can you keep them too? And what other laws and statutes were there for him to keep besides the 10C. Sounds like he had a lot laid on him. Especially since he obviously sinned by lying to people about Sarai not being his wife and used Hagar to have a son since he doubted what God had in mind. Good job Abraham.
Abraham's obedience by not witholding Issac when he was tested was the clincher for God. That is when Abraham obeyed God and that is the culmination of obedience to all the so-called commandments and statutes. Abraham trusted God right there and that was the reason for his righteousness. Abraham was justified by his faith, period.
My NIV says Jesus broke the Sabbath.
Then hence he wasnt disobeying the Law. What He did break was the rabbinical interpretation of how to carry out the law.
I won't argue thatThe Spirit of the Law trumps the Letter of the Law, especially in the New Covenant. So in a way, yes I agree with you.
Then hence he wasnt disobeying the Law. What He did break was the rabbinical interpretation of how to carry out the law.
For those of you that don't believe the Sabbath was instituted from creation but was only given at Mt Sinai, how do you explain that the Israelites kept the Sabbath after the Exodus before arriving at Mt Sinai? If this was something new to them, how did Moses know beforehand what the Sabbath was and how to keep it? Of all the accounts of the murmurings of the Israelites, why was there no record of them complaining about this strange new rule, especially after some had been killed for violating it? Would God so punish someone before they even knew about this Law?
A question you have not answered yet.
Exo 16:1 And they took their journey from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came unto the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of the land of Egypt.
This was some time after they left Egypt. But here is Moses in Ex. 16 describing this to them as a new concept. They have to have trial and error to even get the concept.
If the Sabbath was holy before this why were they not keeping it from the time they left Egypt?
You can't use a people under bondage and slavery for hundreds of years to pagan rulers to determine what godly worship is. God delivered them and taught them His ways. They rebelled and hardened their heart. They profaned God's Sabbath which resulted in them roaming in the wilderness for forty years and dying there. You know what God says to us, that's you and me? He says their behavior in the wilderness is a warning to us so that we don't fall into the same rebellious behavior and reap the same consequence.
You can't use a people under bondage and slavery for hundreds of years to pagan rulers to determine what godly worship is. God delivered them and taught them His ways. They rebelled and hardened their heart. They profaned God's Sabbath which resulted in them roaming in the wilderness for forty years and dying there. You know what God says to us, that's you and me? He says their behavior in the wilderness is a warning to us so that we don't fall into the same rebellious behavior and reap the same consequence.
What he said...
I am not using people under bondage to determine what Godly worship is.
I am asking why when they were FREE From bondage the sabbath is not enjoined upon them until Exodus 16, which is sometime AFTER their bondage.
The Sabbath is a blessed and holy day whether we keep it holy or not. These people were under slavery for hundreds of years. You may have family memebers who obeyed God 400 years ago who have decendants who no longer obey Him now. God delivers them and teaches them. There was a time while they were in bondage that they wanted time off to worship God and got punished for it. I believe God reminds them of this when He says, remember when you were slaves in Egypt? Behold, My Sabbath.
No, you still didn't respond to the actual point raised. It was not introduced to them until some time after leaving Egypt. It is not that they just didn't want to keep it, or were remembering how they were punished for it. They were not told about it. Moses has to explain the whole thing to them.
If it was holy during that time, why were they not introduced to it when coming out of Egypt, rather than some time later?
No, you still didn't respond to the actual point raised. It was not introduced to them until some time after leaving Egypt. It is not that they just didn't want to keep it, or were remembering how they were punished for it. They were not told about it. Moses has to explain the whole thing to them.
If it was holy during that time, why were they not introduced to it when coming out of Egypt, rather than some time later?
I am not using people under bondage to determine what Godly worship is.
I am asking why when they were FREE From bondage the sabbath is not enjoined upon them until Exodus 16, which is sometime AFTER their bondage.
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