Sabbath and Law-Keepers - Gracious convo please!

LoveGodsWord · Nov 20, 2017

klutedavid said:
Hello LGW.

Let's get this right.
You said.I said, we are never saved by faith alone.

Then you replied.Once again, you said, 'we are all saved through Faith alone'.
I said that what you said is incorrect, what you said is not in the Bible.

Your trying to claim that faith saves, that is heresy.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus.

I ask that you recant, your statement is heretical.

Well none of that is true at all. It is about BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word that anyone is saved. As it is written by Grace are you saved <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8). It is through FAITH that we have access to God's GRACE and this GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH (Romans 1:5) God has given us the GIFT <GRACE> but we only have access to it through FAITH.

If any do NOT BELIEVE God's Word then they are and UNBELIEVER <No Faith> and UNBELIEVERS have NO place in the Kingdom of Heaven. (John 3:18; Luke 12:46; Hebrews 3:12; Hebrews 3:19; Hebrews 4:6; Hebrews 4:11) because if you DO NOT have FAITH you are still in your SINS. FAITH is the victory that overcomes the world and is how we walk in the Spirit allowing God to work in those who BELIEVE <have faith> in His Word (Romans 8:1-4; 1 John 5:4)

bekkilyn · Nov 20, 2017

BobRyan said:
Your own pro-Sunday scholars admit that we are not supposed to take God's name in vain.. that this is still a sin,,, and that the TEN Commandments (ALL TEN) are included in the moral law of God written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

What part of this is supposed to be difficult? It is not just "me" admitting to God's commandments it is the Bible and the quotes I gave you - that you are not addressing in that post to me.

When asked for a specific verse where this particular law is commanded in the NT to back up your arguments against God's Sabbath Commandment while claiming the command "do not take God's name in vain" is still valid - you can find nothing in support of "do not take God's name in vain" being quoted verbatim in the NT and have admitted that not finding anything in that case... means absolutely nothing at all.

Your entire argument came crashing down at that point because you freely admit that taking God's name in vain is STILL a sin - even though you can't find a single NT text saying "hey you gentiles - I the LORD your God command you to not take God's name in vain".

And that ended your entire argument!!

The gimmick you were trying failed miserably in the case of "do not take God's name in vain" and you had to admit that it is meaningless the gimmick failed in the first simple test proposed. (which you keep insisting we are not supposed to notice)

When this is pointed out to you your response is

Yet again, you are deflecting away from the question. All I simply asked was for a verse in the NT that specifically commanded Christian believers to observe the Sabbath, and it's apparently not there because no one can produce one.

I haven't even gotten to an actual argument yet (which means there is no argument to have ended...a question is not an argument) because my question has never been answered with either a, "Yes, and here is the verse that includes the commandment." or a "No, there is no specific commandment in the NT to observe the Sabbath."

LoveGodsWord · Nov 20, 2017

The scriptures are for all (myself included)......

Matthew 13
14, And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Let us all be careful not to make the same mistakes as those in the past that followed the mainstream teachers of the day over the Word of God.

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's Word that says the 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP Sunday as a HOLY Day.

If there is NO scripture that says the 4th commandments is ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP Sunday as a HOLY day then we should OBEY God rather than man (Acts 5:29; Romans 3:4) because SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom........

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

JLB777 said:
The weekly Sabbath, points us to the 1000 year, Day of rest, when we who are Christ's will reign and rule with Him on earth for a thousand years.

This is the 7th prophetic Day.

Peter says it this way -

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Hebrews says it like this -

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’”

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:1-10

There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

JLB

The sabbath isn't a requirement for either the Jew or the gentile believer (Christian). If a Jew doesn't chose to accept his Messiah then I can see how it's a requirement for them. The Christian including the Christian Jew is under the new covenant of better promises.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

bekkilyn said:
Good luck getting a straight answer to that one.

He can't defend his position. That causes his deflections and subject changing.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

BobRyan said:
We are not talking about being made righteous - we are talking about the fact that rebellion against God is not the path to eternal life for Christians as we see in 1 Cor 6.

Is rebellion against God, unrighteousness and sin? If so then you're plainly talking about righteousness.

And Romans 2

you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

This reads like condemnation of the poster. May the Lord reward you according to your deeds as you emphasized quote says.

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

There aren't any doers of the law as Paul points out in chapter 3 verse 23. For all have sinned...

It's called "Scripture" and it does not appear to me that the post above was even a response to you.

Your argument is "with the text" apparently

Of course yours isn't. We know this only applies to those you don't agree with.

Romans 8:4-9 says that the lost "do not keep the Law of God and indeed CAN not" - and those same verses contrast that with the saved.

Romans 8 is to and about the Christian. In reference to your partial quote it's plain your focus is on the flesh. The law tries to regulate the flesh.

Again - it is the fact of scripture that cannot be changed simply because someone does not like what scripture says. As we probably both agree.

Maybe you should really stop and consider the Scripture without your special glasses (unproven theology of your church).

listed · Nov 21, 2017

BobRyan said:
Meanwhile - we still have this

Yes we have your repeated out of context quotes. You paste them here often and without results.

EVEN the pro-Sunday scholars know that all TEN of the TEN Commandments remain.

Yes and so do I. The insistence of those pro-Sunday scholars as you call them take the Scripture out of context just like you for personal gain and control. It's clear to me that they don't keep the sabbath nor preach it as a requirement. You've absolutely no evidence they do which would be required to prove your point about the 4th commandment, your only objection.

I think you mean good luck NOT seeing those texts posted again.

We know you will. You refuse to consider anything we post as your church teaches.

And of course - good luck to you seeing that level of reference in the NT to "Do not take God's name in vain"

I don't think you believe this applies to you. Continued demanding to follow the law instead of Jesus proves who you are.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

BobRyan said:
It's called "scripture" ... your argument is "with the text"

Answering the question would be appreciated.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

bekkilyn said:
I don't think there's any magic spell in the NT where if you spam the same thing multiple times, they suddenly turn into a relevant verse that specifically commands Christian believers in the NT to observe the Sabbath.

It's a doctrine of Hitler, who said tell a lie long enough, it'll become the truth. This is only true for those who don't know the truth.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
It is funny I do not see anyone making those claims here at all. I do see some however always accusing some of making these claims and changing topics when confronted with God's Word. Is this the deflecting you are talking about above?

What is this disobedient charge about that keeps popping up? Isn't it the law given to Israel alone?

listed · Nov 21, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
Now David all this post says to me is that you did not read post # 397 there is no error in it and perhaps you need to read it before posting. Ephesians 2:8 is what post # 397 is talking about.

From post # 397.....

It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone.

You really mean to keep the religious practices of Jesus (keep the law). You don't accept Jesus completed the law contract and demand we loyal to a completed contract. That isn't the faith of Jesus. The faith of Jesus is He died so we could have the desired relationship with God He desires.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
Well none of that is true at all. It is about BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word that anyone is saved. As it is written by Grace are you saved <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8). It is through FAITH that we have access to God's GRACE and this GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH (Romans 1:5) God has given us the GIFT <GRACE> but we only have access to it through FAITH.

Romans 1:5 isn't a call to Judaism (keeping the law). Paul clearly teaches departure from the law in all his letters particularly strong in Romans and Galatians. We find several "not under the law" and similar statements. We find "but now we are delivered from the law." We find it being written returning to the law is foolishness. We find requiring the law voids salvation. All the appropriate verses have been quoted and referenced several times in this section of the forum only to be ignored.

If you do NOT BELIEVE God's Word then you are and UNBELIEVER <No Faith> and UNBELIEVERS have NO place in the Kingdom of Heaven. (John 3:18; Luke 12:46; Hebrews 3:12; Hebrews 3:19; Hebrews 4:6; Hebrews 4:11) because if you DO NOT have FAITH you are still in your SINS. FAITH is the victory that overcomes the world and is how we walk in the Spirit allowing God to work in those who BELIEVE <have faith> in His Word (Romans 8:1-4; 1 John 5:4)

Maybe you should believe what you post. That means apply it to yourself.

listed · Nov 21, 2017

LoveGodsWord said:
The scriptures are for all (myself included)......

Matthew 13
14, And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Let us all be careful not to make the same mistakes as those in the past that followed the mainstream teachers of the day over the Word of God.

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's Word that says the 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP Sunday as a HOLY Day.

If there is NO scripture that says the 4th commandments is ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP Sunday as a HOLY day then we should OBEY God rather than man (Acts 5:29; Romans 3:4) because SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom........

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

Being the covenant requiring the observance of the sabbath has been replaced without requiring the observance of the sabbath, it's effectively repealed.

Blood Bought 1953 · Nov 21, 2017

listed said:
It's a doctrine of Hitler, who said tell a lie long enough, it'll become the truth. This is only true for those who don't know the truth.

Listed. I think Hitler was also a believer that big lies sold better than small lies

bekkilyn · Nov 21, 2017

listed said:
He can't defend his position. That causes his deflections and subject changing.

They literally *cannot* answer the question.

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