RUNNING TO THE DOCTORS FOR HELP

cvanwey · Jun 9, 2018

harko said:
The truth is I didn't know whether to put sickness with doctors or God. I know now that its both

I pose another simple question:

Say you are diagnosed with a heart attack, which is deemed optimistically curable with surgery. You are given (2) choices, but cannot choose both, i.e., 1) prayer, (or) 2) medical intervention.

Which one do you choose, and why?

If the honest answer is 2), then ask yourself another honest question.....

If you were actually allowed to choose both options, would option 1) of actually helped anymore, verses opting not to also use option 1) as well?

Thanks

harko · Jun 9, 2018

cvanwey said:
I pose another simple question:

Say you are diagnosed with a heart attack, which is deemed optimistically curable with surgery. You are given (2) choices, but cannot choose both, i.e., 1) prayer, (or) 2) medical intervention.

Which one do you choose, and why?

If the honest answer is 2), then ask yourself another honest question.....

If you were actually allowed to choose both options, would option 1) of actually helped anymore, verses opting not to also use option 1) as well?

Thanks

I'd be praying the surgeon had enough skill to operate successfully lol

RDKirk · Jun 9, 2018

Chinchilla said:
Because jumping from 10th floor and asking for angel to rescue you might not be "must" for God to act to save you , he might just let you reap what you sow .

Heh. If you are, indeed, saved and are that foolish, then you're not doing Him any good on earth...He might as well let you come home.

RDKirk · Jun 9, 2018

cvanwey said:
I pose another simple question:

Say you are diagnosed with a heart attack, which is deemed optimistically curable with surgery. You are given (2) choices, but cannot choose both, i.e., 1) prayer, (or) 2) medical intervention.

Which one do you choose, and why?

If the honest answer is 2), then ask yourself another honest question.....

If you were actually allowed to choose both options, would option 1) of actually helped anymore, verses opting not to also use option 1) as well?

Thanks

Well, what do you think Timothy did as he followed Paul's advice and drank a little wine with his water? Do you think he failed to thank God for both the wine and the water?

DaveDavids · Jun 9, 2018

I was healed from brain and lung cancer, after praying

RDKirk · Jun 9, 2018

DaveDavids said:
I was healed from brain and lung cancer, after praying

And my mother--faithful to the Lord all her life--did not wake up from a vegetative state for eight years, despite our praying all that time.

"... for he maketh. his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

DaveDavids · Jun 9, 2018

RDKirk said:
And my mother--faithful to the Lord all her life--did not wake up from a vegetative state for eight years, despite our praying all that time.

Yeah, and my own mother died from brain cancer after losing both breasts, no prayer worked in that case either

That doesn't change the nature of what happened to me personally

cvanwey · Jun 9, 2018

DaveDavids said:
I was healed from brain and lung cancer, after praying

With absolutely no medical intervention?

DaveDavids · Jun 9, 2018

cvanwey said:
With absolutely no medical intervention?

That's correct

I had also never even opened the Bible before

RDKirk · Jun 9, 2018

DaveDavids said:
Yeah, and my own mother died from brain cancer after losing both breasts, no prayer worked in that case either

That doesn't change the nature of what happened to me personally

Which means that part of the penalty of the Fall is that things happen at random in this fallen world. If a calamity happens to someone, it does not mean he was sinful, and if a tower does not fall on someone else, it doesn't mean that person is righteous (Luke 13).

The rain falls on the just and the unjust. If good things happened to the righteous and bad things happened only to the unrighteous, that would be a just world. But this is not a just world, it is a fallen world.

This does not mean that God cannot step in when He wills. But generally, randomness prevails as a result of sin.

DaveDavids · Jun 9, 2018

RDKirk said:
things happen at random in this fallen world.

Oh, so supernatural healings happen randomly because what now ?

RDKirk · Jun 9, 2018

DaveDavids said:
Oh, so supernatural healings happen randomly because what now ?

I'm saying that unexplainable healings (and other good things) happen nearly as often to the unfaithful as to the faithful. And generally, unexplainable illnesses happen to the faithful as often as they happen to the unfaithful.

Remember that 2009 tsunami that killed millions? It hit India right in the very area where most of India's Christians live.

That's a consequence of this being a fallen world.

harko · Jun 9, 2018

RDKirk said:
And my mother--faithful to the Lord all her life--did not wake up from a vegetative state for eight years, despite our praying all that time.

"... for he maketh. his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."[/QUOTEQUOTE
You are indeed a true soldier of Christ

harko · Jun 9, 2018

RDKirk said:
And my mother--faithful to the Lord all her life--did not wake up from a vegetative state for eight years, despite our praying all that time.

"... for he maketh. his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

You are indeed a soldier of Christ

DaveDavids · Jun 9, 2018

RDKirk said:
I'm saying that unexplainable healings (and other good things) happen nearly as often to the unfaithful as to the faithful.

Well then that's completely ignoring the nature of what happened to me

harko · Jun 9, 2018

DaveDavids said:
Well then that's completely ignoring the nature of what happened to me

How?

Strathos · Jun 9, 2018

RDKirk said:
Remember that 2009 tsunami that killed millions?

No, actually.

W2L · Jun 9, 2018

In My opinion, when Jesus and His apostles performed miracles it was a sign from God, but God never promised to perform these signs forever. The real healing is spiritual not physical.

DaveDavids · Jun 9, 2018

harko said:
How?

Because nobody has ever experienced what I did

harko · Jun 9, 2018

DaveDavids said:
Because nobody has ever experienced what I did

I'm sure there will be others who have! Surely in this big wide world others have been cured without explanation!

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