Royal line of David?

[Traveling Man]

Greetings all,
My question is this....Being that Jesus was not born of Joseph(descendant of David)but thru the the HolyGhost....how does that make him able to hold the title of King thru the bloodline in the scriptures?

 

[gisott]

Hi Traveling man
This happens to be my current line of study.
In Gen 49:8-12 when Jacob is handing out the blessings he said the that line of Judah would always have a law giver and that the scepter would not pass from him
hopethis helps read Gen 49
gisott

 

[Traveling Man]

I see the messianic prophecy(links w/blood,wine etc) but still doesnt answer that Jesus wasnt a blood descendant of David.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

Sonship throughout the bible is through eletion or adoption, and not through ethnicity. Even Josephes sons were adopted by Jacob making Josephs sons "Ephaim and Menasseh" same as brothers in regards to rights and inheritance. Yeshua grew up in a home that was in the Blood line of David. Joseph would have "adopted " Yeshua to raise as his own son.

If you have Faith in Messiah, you are part of Israel, even if you are a gentile. If this were not true, then you would not receive the filling of the Holy Spirit. This is proof of your inclusion in the covenant and promises AND responsibilities of Gods covenant people.

CIF

 

[Hix]

Let us remember it is TRIBAL descent which passes through the father, so therefor tribal descent cannot be passed through via adoption. Also lets remember that Joseph's geneology was under Jeconiah who G-d promised never to have him or his descendants sit on the throne of Israel ever again, he would not use that line from King David in other words. There was a good reason that Joseph was not Yeshua's father and passed on such things.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[simchat_torah]

Actually, I believe the tribal placement is done through the father's side when adoption occurs.

 

[Henaynei]

Here are is some information on "The Jeconiah Curse"..... you may find worth reading.....

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[Hix]

From what I know Jeconiah was eventually forgiven by G-d and blessed but I dont remember if the curse was ever removed. In those days it was traditional for those in ill favor with G-d to be renamed with shorter names, Jeconiah was renamed several times to much shorter names as he was very evil. However he eventually repented and our wonderous mercifull G-d forgave him and he had his name lengthened again. Anyway thanks for the links achoti, il be sure to check them out!

And no smart remarks about why my CF name is so short lol
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Henaynei]

And no smart remarks about why my CF name is so short lol
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

Short?? What short?? who short??

/me gently nudges Hix and reminds him he is supposed to be trying to break the habit of the Napolean itch!!

 

[Henaynei]

And no smart remarks about why my CF name is so short lol
Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

Short?? What short?? who short??

/me gently nudges Hix and reminds him he is supposed to be trying to break the habit of the Napolean itch!!

 

[sojeru]

Greetings Your Excellencies,

I pray that as you all read this post that you and your loved ones are in good health, in Shalom, and prospering most copiously; All thanks be unto HaShem, most blessedis He.

Personally, i do not believe it to be through adoption,
And the Rabbis have debated over these topics centuries ago.

I believe that Yosef is Yeshuah's father under the influence of the Holy Spirit.
There are also words from the RaMBaM that would have it that Yeshuah was blessed by the union of Yosef and Miryam.

so a virgin birth? Yes, however, not to the way most have been tought.

if you want to see an article concerning this, e-mail me (please no PM's if you wish to see the article, but allowed if you wish to discuss it )

Greetings Your Excellency Adon Hix,
You said:
From what I know Jeconiah was eventually forgiven by G-d and blessed but I dont remember if the curse was ever removed.
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It is said by the sages that the "Messiah will come through Zerubavel"
CLEARLY,
so indeed Yechonyoh was forgiven and to his children restoration.
we can see the coming of restoration of Yechonyoh when we see his grandson, Shealtiel- leading the first troops back to Jerusalem, (confusion as to whether She'altiel is actually Zerubavel) And then Zerubavel was the leader and ruled (governed) over the Jews.
Notice, there was no King at that time, so Zerubavel, though not King, ruled.
Think of Zerubavel as a "king" today in Judaism- a Rabbi.

Shalom u'brachot
Antonio

 

[Hix]

Shalom Sojeru,

Thanks for clearing that up, I have read a few instances in which the Sages have claimed the King Messiah to come from Jeconiah such as Rabbi A. J. Rosenberg when he said "Malbim calls to our attention that in the prophecy of Haggai (2:23), God says, "On that day I will take you, Zerubbabel, and I will make you like a signet," for the King Messiah will be like a signet ring on God's right hand, so to speak. Just as the name of the owner of the ring is engraved on his signet ring, through which he makes himself known, so will God's name be known in the world through the King Messiah, through whom His miracles will be known. He says here that, though, in the future, Coniah will be the signet on My right hand, for the Messiah will spring from his seed, now I will remove him from there."

Still as far as I know the line of David refers to the offspring of David (the blood in the veins) and like a Kohain the designation cant be passed through with adoption. Then again Im probobly wrong if I am correct me, I enjoy learning.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[sojeru]

as far as adoption is conserned, you are correct.

David CAN NOT give his throne to an adopted gentile son (if he ever had one)- the Throne is G-D's and G-D allowed David and his descendants to remain on it forever to be shliach tzibbur (angel of the congregation [of Yisrael] before G-D and the world)

what does this title shliach tzibbur teach?
Was not Messiah the shliach tzibbur of all Yisrael?
a shliach tzibbur is only a representative of the entire people.
It is like saying,
"all of Yisrael is this one man."
and David was this very same thing as well- however, not to the caliber that His Majesty King Yeshuah was and is.

the kingly line cannot be given to whomever a man pleases- this decision belongs
to G-D alone, and the Rabbis have understood that- this is why they know that Yechonyoh is ancestor of Messiah.
Yechonyoh is even the ancestor of Hillel