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Romans tells it like it is, but can you handle the truth?
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The NT Scriptures make it perfectly clear that salvation is a process!
Salvation is a life-long process ... not a one-time deal.
The born-again believer can (and may) choose
to walk away from God's free gift of grace ...
at any time before his death (but not after his death, lol).
Man is not a robot ... he is created with free-will.
The best illustration of this is the Israelites in the OT.
Kapische? ... Answer: NO.
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I was wrong... this is partly a OSAS thread, mixed with a "keep the law?" thread.
I'm which case, as for my stance, OSAS is not biblical, and neither is keeping the Law of Moses.
I'm which case, as for my stance, OSAS is not biblical, and neither is keeping the Law of Moses.
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Circle Christ
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You are wrong. The anti-Christ doctrine is insistent in the world today. The teachings of demons that Jesus forewarned about. The world hates his Church just as they hated him.
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TrueLuv: Jesus died-4-U Knowing you may not care
Praise God for an all knowing Spirit that is the alpha and the omega. The church can say Amen! And never be deceived for Christ knows the hearts of people and forewarned even of the adversary of his truth long before this moment. Beware those who call Jesus a liar.
1 Timothy 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21
1 Timothy 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21
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What are you asking? Eternal life had no beginning and has no end. It matters not if you and I are involved in any way. You could lose your salvation and eternal life is still eternal. Is it your faith which makes eternal life eternal?
Now if you are asking if one's faith is eternal and steadfast, we may get somewhere. So I ask, can people lose their faith?
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That which is the fulfillment of Jesus' warning in 1 John 2.
Liars that attempt to refute Jesus' teachings to the church. Therefore being, anti-Christ. Against the anointed Word that was of and that was God.
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You must mean verse 22. Where does it say they attempt to refute Jesus' teachings? I see where they deny that Jesus is the Christ.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
I have never seen anyone on this forum deny that Jesus is the Christ.
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Can you be plain here? What doctrine are you claiming attempts to refute Jesus's teachings? Is it possible that two may interpret Scriptures differently without one of them being anti-Christ?
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No one is talking about keeping the Law of Moses except you.
Jesus says if you love Him, thou wilt keep (obey) His commands!
1 John says if you practice righteousness, thou art righteous!
and etc.
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You must not be paying attention. Those here who claim eternal life isn't eternal. That salvation isn't eternal. And promote works instead. Claiming the Christian has to constantly work out their salvation. In other words, repealing the Grace of God and as one textual example John 3:15-16.
That is therein the anti-Christ doctrine. Promoting that which is not Christ or his teachings. But instead is the exact opposite of what he did on the cross.
Hope that helps you understand.
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TrueLuv: Jesus died-4-U Knowing you may not care
Not in this case no. It's willful . The explanation is already posted. Hope that helps.
The perpetrator even bragged of going to other Christian forums and doing the exact same thing they're pursuing here. In fact I wouldn't doubt because now there are two that alias accounts are at work so that it makes the first agent offender appear to be right because he has "others" now that agree with his renouncing Grace, Eternal Life, Eternal Salvation , in Christ. And promote instead works to keep Eternal Life, which isn't actually eternal according to the agent. And works to keep eternal Salvation, which isn't eternal either.That same agent in a post on these boards implied they enjoyed watching the Christians upset. There's a word for that on forums.
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CC refuses repeatedly to show why the anti-OSAS verses are NOT such!
How can anyone be allowed to be a member here ...
who adamantly is not willing to look at both sides ...
be allowed to continually harass people who are willing and open?
I'm not willing to put up with such people,
and neither should any CHRISTIAN forum be either.
How can anyone be allowed to be a member here ...
who adamantly is not willing to look at both sides ...
be allowed to continually harass people who are willing and open?
I'm not willing to put up with such people,
and neither should any CHRISTIAN forum be either.
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You must not be paying attention. Those here who claim eternal life isn't eternal. That salvation isn't eternal. And promote works instead. Claiming the Christian has to constantly work out their salvation. In other words, repealing the Grace of God and as one textual example John 3:15-16.
That is therein the anti-Christ doctrine. Promoting that which is not Christ or his teachings. But instead is the exact opposite of what he did on the cross.
Hope that helps you understand.
Why didn't you say you weren't talking about anti-Christs?
I wonder who else said to work out your salvation?
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yeshuaslavejeff
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hmmm....
..... hint: with fear and trembling...... must have been someone POWERFUL ..
maybe with KEYS to heaven....
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I explained when I first used the term what it meant.
This isn't the only discussion wherein a group are countering the cross and Jesus message.
Aren't you aware of what antichrist is?
The meaning of the term antichrist is simply “against Christ.”
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yeshuaslavejeff
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Remember the man who could not see the army of angels all around protecting them ,
until the man of Yhwh prayed that his eyes be opened ?
"2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, "Open his eyes, LORD" Then he saw ...
"2 Kings 6:17 Parallel Verses ... and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha."
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