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The two parables are both about the unfaithful stewardship of the Jewish leaders. Both parables are against them. Btw, you also read things into the text that aren't there. The parable does NOT teach a "general call" of salvation to all men. It says that many are called and not that all are called. You have been conditioned to see things that aren't there.
First, my statement "Let's call these too" was ad-libbing on my part. The servants clearly called some whom they were not authorized to invite. Explain why one who was not clothed properly was invited?
Second, Calvin himself did not teach that God calls all men to salvation. He said that God brings the gospel to them to further condemn them. In commenting on Jesuss statement that many are called but few are chosen Calvin said,
[T]here is an universal call, by which God, through the external preaching of the word, invites all men alike, even those for whom he designs the call to be a savor of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation. Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he enlightens only for a time, and whom afterwards, in just punishment for their ingratitude, he abandons and smites with greater blindness. Institutes 3.24.8
So Calvin did NOT teach that God calls all men to salvation as Calvinists erroneously teach.
Third, John Gill denied the "general call" doctrine. I know of no Calvinist who who accuses Gill of being a hyper-Calvinist. Gill taught that God calls only those who are thirsty to come.
The Calvinist's "general call" doctrine is absurd and thoroughly contradictory!
The two parables are both about the unfaithful stewardship of the Jewish leaders. Both parables are against them. Btw, you also read things into the text that aren't there. The parable does NOT teach a "general call" of salvation to all men. It says that many are called and not that all are called. You have been conditioned to see things that aren't there.
First, my statement "Let's call these too" was ad-libbing on my part. The servants clearly called some whom they were not authorized to invite. Explain why one who was not clothed properly was invited?
Second, Calvin himself did not teach that God calls all men to salvation. He said that God brings the gospel to them to further condemn them. In commenting on Jesus’s statement that many are called but few are chosen Calvin said,
[T]here is an universal call, by which God, through the external preaching of the word, invites all men alike, even those for whom he designs the call to be a savor of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation. Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he enlightens only for a time, and whom afterwards, in just punishment for their ingratitude, he abandons and smites with greater blindness. Institutes 3.24.8
So Calvin did NOT teach that God calls all men to salvation as Calvinists erroneously teach.
Third, John Gill denied the "general call" doctrine. I know of no Calvinist who who accuses Gill of being a hyper-Calvinist. Gill taught that God calls only those who are thirsty to come.
The Calvinist's "general call" doctrine is absurd and thoroughly contradictory!
That's no definition or explanation.What it means to me is what it means.
Given what I asked you, your response doesn't address the question at all. Actually, it was meaningless.What it means to me is what it means.
Oh, just not "years", huh.Cattle on a thousand hills. Thousand eyes. Etc.
[T]here is an universal call, by which God, through the external preaching of the word, invites all men alike, even those for whom he designs the call to be a savor of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation. Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he enlightens only for a time, and whom afterwards, in just punishment for their ingratitude, he abandons and smites with greater blindness. Institutes 3.24.8
John 6:47-51
Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Would you like to tell us tb, if you agree with Jesus Christ regarding who might eat the bread of life? Is it anyone?
Oh, just not "years", huh.
Convenient.
Which word better fits - 'love' or 'hate'?
God is ____...for He invites all men alike, even those for whom He designs the call to be a savour of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation?
Where is this in the Scriptures?
Where is this in the Scriptures?
Which word better fits - 'love' or 'hate'?
God is ____...for He invites all men alike, even those for whom He designs the call to be a savour of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation?
Neither, ie, English structure of thoughts messes everything up regarding "love."
Toss the Dictionaries, Lexicons, and etc. and in merge "God is agape" will get us on the right course with Jesus at the wheel. This is only for starters.
Just ol' old Jack
Just ol' old Jack
It's not scripture. It was written by J.C. - no, not that one - the other one - Mr. Calvin. It is from his 'Institutes of the Christian Religion'.
[T]here is an universal call, by which God, through the external preaching of the word, invites all men alike, even those for whom he designs the call to be a savor of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation. Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he enlightens only for a time, and whom afterwards, in just punishment for their ingratitude, he abandons and smites with greater blindness. (Institutes 3.24.8)
The Boxer quoted it in post#219:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7785192-22/#post64458966
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