Romans 9

[SolaOne]

I am amazed that you attempt to draw such conclusions from the passage that you do. The passage does not give the least remote hint that God made the choice on foreseen faith. In fact the passage says the direct opposite. God made his decision of electing one person over the other based upon exactly what the texts say.... something in himself... "by him who calls."; not something God foresaw in us.

Your whole post is painfully bad.

His purpose in election is that the one who responds in faith to the call becomes the elect. It is not by being good or bad, by natural lineage, by being the firstborn, or by keeping the Law, but by responding to the call by faith. This is what the whole book of Romans is about a righteousness by faith.

Rom 1:5-6
Through him and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. 6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

 

[ronathanedwards]

Sola, you err. Nowhere in scripture does it say those who have faith THEN become elect. That renders the point of election pointless. Election is personal, God's plan is personal. He chose people and His purpose is NOT a plan, but a people. His point in electing is bestowing saving grace on specific people to SAVE. It is perfect, and it is effective. It does not make people "savable", but it SAVES. Nowhere in scripture can you find God's plan making everyone "savable" (adjective)... NOWHERE.

 

[Don Maurer]

His purpose in election is that the one who responds in faith to the call becomes the elect. It is not by being good or bad, by natural lineage, by being the firstborn, or by keeping the Law, but by responding to the call by faith. This is what the whole book of Romans is about a righteousness by faith.

Rom 1:5-6
Through him and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. 6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

The verse makes no such proposition that you suggest. In fact no verse exists which says that election comes by foreseen faith.

 

[ronathanedwards]

His purpose in election is that the one who responds in faith to the call becomes the elect

The problem is with that is that would make His purpose "impersonal" (purposing a plan) but God purposed to elect a PEOPLE, it is PERSONAL... for those WHOM He foreknew, NOT for WHAT He foreknew... that is the problem you can not get around, it isn't actions that He is looking at in the future, it is a choice before time to enter into a RELATIONSHIP with PEOPLE that He "loves" (as like Adam "knew" Eve) ...

 

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