Romans 14

[Vance]

The fallacy of the slippery slope:

Let's say you are at the top of a slope. You know that at the bottom of the slope is BAD. But you realize that the truth almost assuredly lies somewhere down the course of the slope. Do you just stay at the top, safe from the error at the bottom of the slope, but knowing that you are missing the truth? Or, do you head down the slope in search of the truth, but just make sure you have shoes with very good traction?

If you choose to stay at the top of the slope for fear of slipping right on past the truth and heading in to error, I can respect that. But, you should then be willing to acknowledge that you are choosing the safest position rather than seeking after the truth. Too many YEC's choose that option, but then just convince themselves that truth is right there anyway.

 

[YahwehLove]

The fallacy of the slippery slope:

Let's say you are at the top of a slope. You know that at the bottom of the slope is BAD. But you realize that the truth almost assuredly lies somewhere down the course of the slope. Do you just stay at the top, safe from the error at the bottom of the slope, but knowing that you are missing the truth? Or, do you head down the slope in search of the truth, but just make sure you have shoes with very good traction?

If you choose to stay at the top of the slope for fear of slipping right on past the truth and heading in to error, I can respect that. But, you should then be willing to acknowledge that you are choosing the safest position rather than seeking after the truth. Too many YEC's choose that option, but then just convince themselves that truth is right there anyway.

CAn I ask you something?

Do you think God is going to care in the least about a ''slippery slope''?
Nothing but mans wisdom there guy. Thats about all it adds up to.

YECs choose to try to make Gods word mean what it says, not what we want to interpret it as.

so you play with your slippery slopes and Ill keep trying to make it all fit into a young earth created in 6 days.

 

[YahwehLove]

The problem is I don't see you having any justification in doing it. I have yet to see Christ exalted through literal Genesis dogma, since Christ is plainly exalted for us recognizing Him.

GAK!

NO JUSTIFICATION????

and heres where we say IT SAYS 6 DAYS.


No justification indeed.


And because He isnt in YOUR eyes means nothing.
We glorify a God who could do it in 6 days as He said and in the face of a world trying to prove He didnt.

 

[versastyle]

YECs choose to try to make Gods word mean what it says, not what we want to interpret it as.

If it was so simple you shouldn't have to try!

so you play with your slippery slopes and Ill keep trying to make it all fit into a young earth created in 6 days.

He isn't using the slippery slope. You are. Heh.

 

[versastyle]

GAK!
NO JUSTIFICATION????
and heres where we say IT SAYS 6 DAYS.
No justification indeed.

Exactly, you just believe it, because you just believe it. There is no spiritual reason behind it. You are not exalting God more than anyone else who believes differently. We are to exalt God alone, not His methodology.

And because He isnt in YOUR eyes means nothing.
We glorify a God who could do it in 6 days as He said and in the face of a world trying to prove He didnt.

God didn't say it. It is merely written on flamable pages. Does what the bible say = what God says? I don't know. I'm just happy for the hope in Christ's sacrifice.

 

[YahwehLove]

If it was so simple you shouldn't have to try!

Woudnt have to if TEers werent so hellbent on teaching that I was made in the image of a monkey instead of a Holy God.

He isn't using the slippery slope. You are. Heh.

YOu DEFINETLY missed the point

 

[Vance]

No, YL, you seemed to have missed the point. You argue that we should not accept a certain position because that could lead down a slippery slope to something bad. So, you are using the slippery slope argument. I asked a simple question about that you dodge it.

All you have done since you've been here is repeat "it says six days", even though we know what the text says. We have shown you how the six days can be used in different ways, but rather than rebut those arguments with reasoned arguments why those interpretations don't work, you just say 'but it SAYS six days", which adds nothing since we know what the text says. Basically, you are adding nothing to the discussion.

Basically, then, discussing the matters with you is not worth anyone's time.

 

[versastyle]

Woudnt have to if TEers werent so hellbent on teaching that I was made in the image of a monkey instead of a Holy God.

I don't believe that. Me thinks you have gotten tired of this debate and now are just delirious.

YOu DEFINETLY missed the point

No I understood the point. I just thought I'd share some common rationale with you.

 

[YahwehLove]

Exactly, you just believe it, because you just believe it. There is no spiritual reason behind it. You are not exalting God more than anyone else who believes differently. We are to exalt God alone, not His methodology.

You are one funny man.
There is EVERY spiritual reason behind it and Im amazed you fail to see it.

God didn't say it. It is merely written on flamable pages. Does what the bible say = what God says? I don't know. I'm just happy for the hope in Christ's sacrifice.

huh.
you have hope in someones sacrifice that you heard from where?
Those same pages you just tossed aside.

 

[versastyle]

Basically, then, discussing the matters with you is not worth anyone's time.

Agreed. My whole point in replying is to show off my excellent debating skillz!

 

[versastyle]

You are one funny man.
There is EVERY spiritual reason behind it and Im amazed you fail to see it.

If there was a spiritual reason behind it, God would have led me to keep on believing YEC.

you have hope in someones sacrifice that you heard from where?
Those same pages you just tossed aside.

Wrong. I've been a Christian long before I even understood the bible, or read it for that matter.

 

[YahwehLove]

All you have done since you've been here is repeat "it says six days", even though we know what the text says. We have shown you how the six days can be used in different ways, but rather than rebut those arguments with reasoned arguments why those interpretations don't work, you just say 'but it SAYS six days", which adds nothing since we know what the text says. Basically, you are adding nothing to the discussion.

You all have shown me nothing but handwaving and mens interpretation of evidence. not a single thing.
You speak of literary issues that you cannot prove is the case, and Im supposed to take YOUR word for it?
Not a chance.

Feel free to stop responding to me at any time

Basically, then, discussing the matters with you is not worth anyone's time.

most definetly.

 

[versastyle]

The creation story is myth based on historical truths.

 

[YahwehLove]

If there was a spiritual reason behind it, God would have led me to keep on believing YEC.

you know my mom beleives OSAS.
Ive dabated with her for years that she needs to quit living her life of sin and live holy before Him.
She keeps telling me ''when its time, GOD will lead me to Him"

BZZZZZZZ wrong.
God told Cain that sin was crouching at the door and its desire was for him but HE must master it.
God wont force a man to reject sin and He wont just make you believe something.
Its up to YOU to decide to say ''I believe what God says no matter what my eyes and mind want me to believe"

we live by faith, not by sight.
faith that might say that we accept a 6 day creation in the face of science.
Just like those men trotting around Jericho.
All it took was faith, obedience and a horn blowing and those walls came down and most definetly against the natural laws and assuredly to the amazment of the people inside.

Gods not going to force feed you friend.

Wrong. I've been a Christian long before I even understood the bible, or read it for that matter.

Most of us were born again before we got heavily into bible study.
One thing about the OT that really got to me when I read it was faith.
Faith that goes against all odds and at many times defied logic and reason of men.

you keep your long ages.
and they can keep thier evolution.

Im sorry, Adam was created in the image of God, not a monkey.

 

[YahwehLove]

The creation story is myth based on historical truths.

you know.
theres a young lady here on cf somewhere that told me EXACLTY the same thing about virgin birth.

is it?

 

[versastyle]

"I believe what God says no matter what my eyes and mind want me to believe"

I agree. I believe what God says as true. Its just I don't believe God guided the author of text in Genesis to literal history. This is a faith I am uninterested in. The more I talk to you the further away I get from your position, because of the unfounded nature in whats being said. Thats not what you hope for I would think.

we live by faith, not by sight.
faith that might say that we accept a 6 day creation in the face of science.
Just like those men trotting around Jericho.
All it took was faith, obedience and a horn blowing and those walls came down and most definetly against the natural laws and assuredly to the amazment of the people inside.

So basically, the only way a person can believe what you believe is if they WANT to? Well. Two things.

1) You aren't helping me create this desire. Are you intentionally driving me away from it?
2) Why are you even debating us then? By your own admission, nothing you say is going to help anything. For someone who is a hardcore bible thumper, me thinks you should dust some sandals off and let it go.

Im sorry, Adam was created in the image of God, not a monkey.

The image of God is not physical in nature.

 

[versastyle]

you know.
theres a young lady here on cf somewhere that told me EXACLTY the same thing about virgin birth.

Thats not important in this forum. This is:

The creation story is myth based on historical truths.

 

[YahwehLove]

I agree. I believe what God says as true. Its just I don't believe God guided the author of text in Genesis to literal history. This is a faith I am uninterested in. The more I talk to you the further away I get from your position, because of the unfounded nature in whats being said. Thats not what you hope for I would think.

honestly, I couldnt care less about it.
I dont think its an issue that will send a person to hell, so whatever.
Im just here for the mental stimulation

So basically, the only way a person can believe what you believe is if they WANT to? Well. Two things.

1) You aren't helping me create this desire. Are you intentionally driving me away from it?

hmm

2) Why are you even debating us then? By your own admission, nothing you say is going to help anything. For someone who is a hardcore bible thumper, me thinks you should dust some sandals off and let it go.

But why are we in a CO area called "origins THEOLOGY"?
Seems you just dont like anyone saying something that you dont agree with.

The image of God is not physical in nature.

Is it?
Are you sure?
Is that what scripture SAYS?

 

[YahwehLove]

Thats not important in this forum. This is:

The creation story is myth based on historical truths.

and from personal experience its not a long road from one to the other.