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I wonder if the non-RC Christians who descended from the early colonial Christian groups have issued an apology to the Indigenous Americans ?
Here is another interesting link to a very dusty Papal bull - Medieval Sourcebook: Witchcraft Documents [15th Century]
The RC Church disavowed the witch hunts long before the Protestants did.
Who would have ever imagined that the Catholic Church would actually call for the conversion of the heathen to Christianity?
It is unthinkable that a Christian organization would actually have the unmitigated gall to do such a thing.
Jesus would never do something so culturally insensitive as to suggest that they should follow him instead of something else.
Perhaps, but they never revoked or rescinded the Word of the Lord which had come through the Papal Bulls. The Bulls just got sent to the Vatican dustbin for nosy folks to dig up later.
The Congregational Churches (descended from the Massachusetts Bay Colony churches and now known as the United Church of Christ) has done that. The Anglican Church (which colonized New York, the Carolinas, Georgia, and Virginia) has not done so, to my knowledge. The Society of Friends (aka Quakers) which colonized Pennsylvania never was a denomination and consisted of independent meetings. Thus, it is impossible to determine if, or how many, of them did so. There were also other religious groups which came to this country but none of them, including the aforementioned denominations did so at the behest of a religious leader telling them to destroy the barbarous people of the New World. Thus, none of them really have no need to rescind or revoke any such pronouncement.
Early American Church DenominationsConnecticut: CongregationalDelaware: Anglican, Dutch Reformed, Lutheran, PresbyterianGeorgia: Anglican, Moravian
Maryland: Roman Catholic, PresbyterianMassachusetts: CongregationalNew Hampshire: CongregationalNew Jersey: Dutch Reformed, Lutheran, Quaker, PresbyterianNew York: Dutch Reformed
North Carolina: Anglican, PresbyterianPennsylvania: Amish, Brethren, Lutheran, Mennonite, Moravian, Quaker, Schwenkfelder, Presbyterian, Reformed
Rhode Island: Congregational South Carolina: Anglican, HuguenotsVirginia: Anglican, Presbyterian
Thus the times and language of the times...Uneducated folk was just that... Barbaric meant uneducated back thenRead the text of the Bull itself and you will see that the means of conversion is not intended to be either sweet or gentle. Would you like it if a Muslim described you as barbarous and in need of conversion to Islam?
The Quakers, beginning with William Penn, kept respectful relations with the Indians of this region (the "Walking Purchase" was a sad exception, though it postdated W. Penn and was not a Quaker action, though it was done iirc by a Quaker). The Moravians, and as far as I know, and the Anabaptist settlers of Pa., also maintained respectful relations.
Here's a general listing, btw:
Early American Church Denominations
That is what the Quran says.Read the text of the Bull itself and you will see that the means of conversion is not intended to be either sweet or gentle. Would you like it if a Muslim described you as barbarous and in need of conversion to Islam?
I am not sure that everyone did know that, but it is a fact that many believed it to be true several hundred years before the birth of Jesus Christ. However, that fact did not stop the Catholic Church from declaring dogmatically that the earth was flat and that anyone such as Galileo Galilei who declared otherwise was a heretic and was to be excommunicated.
Here is an interesting article:
so if one goes to jump over the bridge I will follow him too..eh..that makes me lesser guilty of jumping *scratches head*
The Quakers, beginning with William Penn, kept respectful relations with the Indians of this region (the "Walking Purchase" was a sad exception, though it postdated W. Penn and was not a Quaker action, though it was done iirc by a Quaker). The Moravians, and as far as I know, and the Anabaptist settlers of Pa., also maintained respectful relations.
Here's a general listing, btw:
Early American Church Denominations
NOTE: the UCC was the merger of the Congregational and Evangelical Reform (largely German) Denominations, so I guess "Reformed" would be covered under the UCC apology.
That is what the Quran says.
The Church did not declare dogmatically that the Earth was flat, that would also be out of the bounds of what dogma is.
You also don't seem to understand the issue around Galileo on several levels. First, it had nothing to do with the Earth being flat. Columbus had already discovered the new world by that time, putting away any doubts for even the most uneducated person.
Now, to save time and posts, I am going to address the other points you might throw out about Galileo-
Most people think it is over heliocentrism (Earth going around the Sun). This is wrong too- it was already proposed by a devout Catholic canon lawyer named Copernicus a century early and was widely accepted.
A few people know that what made Galileo different was that he proposed that orbits around the Sun were imperfect. This was problematic on a philosophical level. Although this wasn't the philosophical issue, it was Galileo's insistance on new philosophy and theology that caused him problems- particularly the idea that God could be known through math... but most people don't know that history.
Thank you for the excellent information. The only point I would disagree with is that of Rhode Island, which was found by John Brown, a Baptist, who escaped Puritan persecution in the Massachusetts Bay Colony and founded Rhode Island as a refuge not only for Baptist, but also for Quakers and Jews (the oldest Baptist Church and the oldest synagogue in America are both in Rhode Island). Thus, it is inaccurate to think that Rhode Island was Congregational.
By the way, do you know of any association between Rhode Island and the Island of Rhodes?
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the arguments that you made earlier that you have chosen to ignore.
There are some people on internet forums that don't seem to have much actual knowledge about history. Within religious forums, they read polemic articles they can find on the internet and either cut and paste them or just rehash what they say. When someone is able to refute these materials, the person, with no actual knowledge of the issue and the mere ability to find stuff on the internet is usually forced to throw out red herrings by posting more articles that have nothing to do with the topic, but attack whatever group or idea they were after in the first place. Thus, the discussion isn't advanced and no real dialogue can take place.
I don't mean to distress, but have Denominational apologies been issued for forced "conversions" in Alaska (20th c.) ?
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