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Role of Mary

Role of Mary

  • She is the Mother of God

  • She was only a mere woman


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scham

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What i'm trying to say is that mary was the vessel in which God used to bring jesus to earth. I do understand that scripture, I was in a rush when i wrote it so it did'nt come across as i ment it.
just because mary gave birth to jesus doesn't give her the power to answer prayer.
When your sick do you got to the doctor or his/her mum?
 
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scham said:
What i'm trying to say is that mary was the vessel in which God used to bring jesus to earth. I do understand that scripture, I was in a rush when i wrote it so it did'nt come across as i ment it.
just because mary gave birth to jesus doesn't give her the power to answer prayer.
When your sick do you got to the doctor or his/her mum?

She was more than just a vessel, He received our humanity from her, without which we cannot be saved.

She does not answer prayer as God does but rather petitions her Son on our behalf.

If an infant or child is sick, does he call the doctor or does his mum call him ?
 
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Oblio said:
She was more than just a vessel, He received our humanity from her, without which we cannot be saved.

She does not answer prayer as God does but rather petitions her Son on our behalf.

If an infant or child is sick, does he call the doctor or does his mum call him ?
What i'm saying is that you go straight to the one who can heal rather than go to his mother, whats the point in going to mary to ask on my behalf when its Jesus i have the relationship with and Jesus is the one who heal me, so why not just ask him straight away?
Mary was a woman who found favour in Gods eyes and was very blessed to be his natural mother on earth. after jesus baptism you don't hear about mary until his death, so why do we need to ask mary to ask jesus?
 
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scham said:
What i'm saying is that you go straight to the one who can heal rather than go to his mother, whats the point in going to mary to ask on my behalf when its Jesus i have the relationship with and Jesus is the one who heal me, so why not just ask him straight away?

We go to her for the same reason we ask friends to pray for us. Do we not go especially to those that we consider blessed by God ? The prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Mary was a woman who found favour in Gods eyes and was very blessed to be his natural mother on earth. after jesus baptism you don't hear about mary until his death, so why do we need to ask mary to ask jesus?

She was also the mother (not the creator) of Jesus who is God. You cannot separate God and man in Jesus.
 
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Sure. I was just answering your question :) ...

... and making sure that you (or others) do not subscribe to the heresy that Mary did not contain God in her womb which your second statement could have been misconstrued as.
 
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scham said:
Well i'm sorry if thats what you think I was thinking but you misunderstand, I belive with all my heart that mary had God in her womb, I just don't belive I need to pray to her so she can ask him, when I can ask him myself.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

:)

Glad to hear that. We Orthodox are a bit touchy on matters of Christology.
 
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scham said:
If i remember correctly Jesus snubbed his mother and brothers when he went back to his home town and said that those who follow Him are his mother and brothers so He can't of held her up that high in terms of spiritual role
I know the passage you are referring to . .

But your understanding of it is fundamentaly flawed, for if it were true, then we have an even bigger problem than what we are discussing in this thread!! :eek:

Jesus is without sin . . He obeyed the Old Testament Law to perfection.


The Law says "Honor your father and YOUR MOTHER"

If Jesus had actually snubbed His mother as you are suggesting above, then He would have BROKEN this commandment, and in doing so, would have commited GRAVE SIN . .

Then He would no longer have been sinless . .


Then He could not have died for our sins . .


And THEN, if what you say is true, Christianity is a sham . . .



But, we know all of the above is not true, Jesus could have NEVER snubbed His mother and remained sinless . .


So, it follows, we know that Jesus did not, in His words or actions to which you are referring to, snub His Miother in any way, shape or form.


Look again . .


Luk 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.



Who in the audience more perfectly heard the word of God (the annunciation of Christ's birth) and did it (accepted God's call on her life completely and fully and was entirely faithful to God in it) than Mary?


Mary is His Mother on ALL accounts!


You know it is interesting, I have always been bothered by the interpretation of those who would make this passage say that Mary tried to interrupt her Son . .. It never made sense to me, even as a Protetant, that Mary would ever try to do that.

So looking at it more closely, I find that it never says, in that passage, that Mary was trying to interrupt Him . . it says that others tried to draw His attention to the fact that Mary was there, seemingy with the expectation that He should stop what He as doing to attend to her , . . .

Many try to read here that Mary herself was the one who was trying to interrupt Him, but the text does not say that . .


If we understand Mary's character, I think we would come to the realization that such an action would not fit what we know about her . .

But others who did NOT understand who Jesus was, could easily think that Jesus should stop what He was doing and pay attention to His mother . .


So Jesus took the opportunity to teach . . but never, as you and others have suggested, to sin by snubbing His own Mother!

If He was being corrective to anyone, it was to those who would use His Mother to interrupt His teaching . .


:)


Peace in Him!
 
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scham said:
What i'm trying to say is that mary was the vessel in which God used to bring jesus to earth. I do understand that scripture, I was in a rush when i wrote it so it did'nt come across as i ment it.
just because mary gave birth to jesus doesn't give her the power to answer prayer.
When your sick do you got to the doctor or his/her mum?
If his mum is the nurse who runs his office, you go to his mum first to go to him . .

;)


Peace in Him!
 
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The options were limited. I had to choose "mere woman" because just like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David and their wives and the prophets, they were all God's chosen and elect. This is my "mother":amen: :clap:

galatian 4: 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children -- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I wish you had included a third option. I don't think Mary was just another ordinary woman, but neither do I think she should be put on the pedestal she is often thrust on. I think Mary was a very special woman that God loved deeply. After all, she was carrying the Son of God. She had to be special. There needs to be an in-between option.
 
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John 19:26 KJV...
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

NIV...
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son,"

Jesus addresses her as "woman" when He's on the cross. Interesting.
 
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Jesus addresses her as "woman" when He's on the cross. Interesting.

Woman is a term of respect. It is a mistake to read Holy Scripture outside of the Eastern culture and customs that the events took place.
 
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SLStrohkirch said:
I think the problem that many Protestants have is that while they agree about her being the chosen one to be mother to the Christ they often see her as only human afterwards and having no special purpose. They also don't believe that she was like Elijah taken into heaven without dying. I'm not sure but I believe Catholic tradition supports this but scripture is silent about what happened to her.
I'm not sure either, but I think that the Catholic Church has taken no official stand on whether or not Mary died before being assumed into heaven. I think many theologins believe that she did die, but this is not a definite teaching. We certainly believe that she was assumed into heaven. An interesting bit of trivia: There are none of Mary's bones as relics and there is ,as far as I know, no historical record of there ever being any of her bones as relics.
 
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2Bhumble said:
John 19:26 KJV...
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

NIV...
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son,"

Jesus addresses her as "woman" when He's on the cross. Interesting.
The word "woman" used in John 19:26 translates as both "woman" and "wife". So, depending on how it is translated, Jesus is either saying that John is now Mary's son or that Jesus was giving His blessing for Mary and John to marry. Since John took Mary into his house, the latter would be more probable since unmarried women did not take up with a male outside of the family (it would be shameful to do so). The former is more commonly accepted because of the word "son", but "son" may simply imply that John is a "son of Abraham" or "child of Israel".
 
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abbygirlforever said:
The word "woman" used in John 19:26 translates as both "woman" and "wife". So, depending on how it is translated, Jesus is either saying that John is now Mary's son or that Jesus was giving His blessing for Mary and John to marry. Since John took Mary into his house, the latter would be more probable since unmarried women did not take up with a male outside of the family (it would be shameful to do so).


The problem with this view is that it directly conflicts with Holy Tradition.
 
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Oblio said:
The problem with this view is that it directly conflicts with Holy Tradition.
Which holds more authority, the Bible or Holy Tradition? Tradition is OK, but sometimes it's wrong. Just because people have done it this way or believed this way for a long time doesn't mean they are right.
 
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