Ring Species. How do creationists account for this?

[DontTreadOnMike]

YouTube - ‪Ring species -- the abridged version‬‏

 

[AV1611VET]

God is a god of boundaries, and has set up barriers that even nature cannot cross.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

God is a god of boundaries, and has set up barriers that even nature cannot cross.

Yeah I know the line, but there's the evidence. How do you account for it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah I know the line, but there's the evidence. How do you account for it?

The evidence is in the video.

What was that exampled it used? the warbler?

The warbler is procreating, is procreating, is procreating -- and suddenly, what happens?

The warbler can no longer procreate.

It's still a warbler, but it has reached a barrier it cannot cross.

That video just confirms what I've been saying for years.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

The evidence is in the video.

What was that exampled it used? the warbler?

The warbler is procreating, is procreating, is procreating -- and suddenly, what happens?

The warbler can no longer procreate.

It's still a warbler, but it has reached a barrier it cannot cross.

That video just confirms what I've been saying for years.

It diverged into two different species which is what evolution is. Those two separate lineages will continue to grow further apart since they can no longer share genetic information.

You seem to think God stopped them from breeding so they don't become separate species, but they are already separate species and they will continue to grow different from each other. Being unable to breed is a major part of the definition of separate species. "Macro"-Evolution before our eyes.

 

[AV1611VET]

It diverged into two different species which is what evolution is.

No kidding?

Those two separate lineages will continue to grow further apart since they can no longer share genetic information.

No kidding?

So far, you're preaching to the choir here.

You seem to think God stopped them from breeding so they don't become separate species, but they are already separate species and they will continue to grow different from each other.

Or maybe I think there's just so much distance evolution can travel before it reaches a quota, put in place before the earth was yet created.

Isaiah 40:12 ¶ Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

Being unable to breed is a major part of the definition of separate species.

No kidding?

But for the record, what is a Cockapoo?

"Macro"-Evolution before our eyes.

But it's still a warbler, no?

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

No kidding?

No kidding?

So far, you're preaching to the choir here.

Or maybe I think there's just so much distance evolution can travel before it reaches a quota, put in place before the earth was yet created.

Isaiah 40:12 ¶ Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

No kidding?

But for the record, what is a Cockapoo?

But it's still a warbler, no?

Ok so you believe they will NOT continue to change because God set up a barrier. That evidence is not in the video as you claimed. There's nothing in the video (or anywhere outside of your imagination) that says these species will not continue to diverge.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok so you believe they will NOT continue to change because God set up a barrier. That evidence is not in the video as you claimed. There's nothing in the video (or anywhere outside of your imagination) that says these species will not continue to diverge.

Didn't you ask this in your OP?

Ring Species. How do creationists account for this?

Have I answered your OP to your satisfaction; or, as I'm beginning to suspect now, this thread is just so you can rant, rave, and vent your disgust at what we have a right to believe?

 

[Delphiki]

But for the record, what is a Cockapoo?

Cocker spaniel and poodle mix. Which are both breeds of the same species.

 

[AV1611VET]

Cocker spaniel and poodle mix. Which are both breeds of the same species.

Okay, thanks -- I was under the impression they were different species.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Didn't you ask this in your OP?
Have I answered your OP to your satisfaction; or, as I'm beginning to suspect now, this thread is just so you can rant, rave, and vent your disgust at what we have a right to believe?

Erm...no you can believe whatever you want. Sorry am I in the wrong forum? I thought this was the creation/evolution forum, where we're SUPPOSED to debate this subject.

But yes, your non-answer does satisfy my curiosity. My conclusion is that creationists can't account for this phenomenon.

 

[Delphiki]

Okay, thanks -- I was under the impression they were different species.

No problem.

Another way to think of dog breeds is like the difference in race in humans, only the differences are much more pronounced in dogs. If we were to segregate the races (hypothetically speaking, of course), humans differences would also eventually become as exaggerated as canine breeds.

Our knowledge of human anthropology would suggest that it could only take 100,000 years or so of such segregation for speciation to occur.

 

[Split Rock]

This is just microevolution. That's why its still a Warbler. Show me a parakeet evolve into an apple tree, evo-loopie! You can't... can you????????????????????????????????????????????//////////////////

 

[AV1611VET]

This is just microevolution. That's why its still a Warbler. Show me a parakeet evolve into an apple tree, evo-loopie! You can't... can you????????????????????????????????????????????//////////////////

But as the video shows, even same-species are subject to boundaries.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

God is a god of boundaries, and has set up barriers that even nature cannot cross.

If you had watched the video you would have known that this was an ignorant thing to say.

 

[Split Rock]

But as the video shows, even same-species are subject to boundaries.

Where does the video claim such a thing? What evidence did it show to support this claim? It showed populations within a species diverging... where are the limits you speak of?

 

[Orogeny]

If you had watched the video you would have known that this was an ignorant thing to say.

Thank you--

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Thank you--

De nada!

 

[AV1611VET]

If you had watched the video you would have known that this was an ignorant thing to say.

I watched it -- and if you bother to ask around, you'll see that ignit things is all I say.

I don't need to watch a video to say something ignorant --

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

I watched it -- and if you bother to ask around, you'll see that ignit things is all I say.

I don't need to watch a video to say something ignorant --

Yes, I know.