Right & wrong

[superbear02]

When looking at all the thread topics I am simply amazed at how many people do not know right from wrong. Questions about whether homosexuality is right or wrong, nudism, what truth is, etc. This is the state of the human condition; not knowing what right and wrong are but sure being convinced of their OPINIONS of right and wrong! a HUGE contradiction! That's one reason why there's a God! But He is usually ignored in favor of a person's opinion, even though that person has demonstrated that he doesn't have the answers! It's called pride. This is one example of the proud being humbled. But nevertheless, people go on looking for answers from other people who don't know the answers. There's that pride again. No wonder your guys' questions never stop. You're asking the wrong sources!

That is so true. We can't be asking other imperfect humans. We need to find out what we believe on our own, find out the facts, go to God, ect.

I recently realized this today while debating in government class about gay rights. It was sad to see how many people give into some of their beliefs. All I can do is pray and be patient and loving...

 

[Philosoft]

That is so true. We can't be asking other imperfect humans. We need to find out what we believe on our own, find out the facts, go to God, ect.

How do you know "what you believe on [your] own" is any better than anyone elses? You're an "imperfect human" too, aren't you?

I recently realized this today while debating in government class about gay rights. It was sad to see how many people give into some of their beliefs. All I can do is pray and be patient and loving...

Have you considered tolerant, as well? How about "live and let live"?

 

[- DRA -]

That is so true. We can't be asking other imperfect humans. We need to find out what we believe on our own, find out the facts, go to God, ect.

I recently realized this today while debating in government class about gay rights. It was sad to see how many people give into some of their beliefs. All I can do is pray and be patient and loving...

Food for Thought (from the NKJV):

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
(Romans 10:17)

"O LORD, I know the way of man is not in himself;
It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps."
(Jeremiah 10:23)

. . . "Do you understand what you are reading?
And he said, 'How can I, unless someone guides me?' "
(Acts 8:30b-31a)

"The Lord is . . . not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
(2 Peter 3:9)

"Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 15:58)

. . . "Contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints."
(Jude 3)

 

[- DRA -]

Originally Quoted by: superbear 02
I recently realized this today while debating in government class about gay rights. It was sad to see how many people give into some of their beliefs. All I can do is pray and be patient and loving...

Have you considered tolerant, as well? How about "live and let live"?

Tolerant in what sense?

If you mean helping and encouraging them to cease doing that which is sinful, such as the Corinthians did in 1 Corinthians 6:11a - "And such were [past tense] some of you" (note the previously listed sins in verses 9-10), then the answer is "Yes."

However, if you mean allowing them to stay in sin and accepting them as they are, then the answer is "No." That is not what Paul admonishes the Corinthians to do in the previously cited passage. All of us are sinners (Romans 3:23). No one has the right to continue in sin (Romans 6:1-2). With God's help, and the encouragement of faithful Christians, we should diligently labor together to overcome sin - - not give in to it.

 

[dlamberth]

However, if you mean allowing them to stay in sin and accepting them as they are, then the answer is "No." That is not what Paul admonishes the Corinthians to do in the previously cited passage. All of us are sinners (Romans 3:23). No one has the right to continue in sin (Romans 6:1-2). With God's help, and the encouragement of faithful Christians, we should diligently labor together to overcome sin - - not give in to it.

Has Paul changed the teachings of Jesus? The reason why I ask is that from my perspective the central message of Jesus Christ is Love, Compassion and the working on ones own sins, not the sins of others.

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[- DRA -]

Originally Posted by: - DRA -

However, if you mean allowing them to stay in sin and accepting them as they are, then the answer is "No." That is not what Paul admonishes the Corinthians to do in the previously cited passage. All of us are sinners (Romans 3:23). No one has the right to continue in sin (Romans 6:1-2). With God's help, and the encouragement of faithful Christians, we should diligently labor together to overcome sin - - not give in to it.

Has Paul changed the teachings of Jesus? The reason why I ask is that from my perspective the central message of Jesus Christ is Love, Compassion and the working on ones own sins, not the sins of others.

No, Paul didn't change Jesus' teachings. Paul taught the things that Jesus revealed to him (Galatians 1:11-12).

The apostle Paul taught that we should have the mind that Christ had - - looking out for not only one's own interests, but also looking out for the interests of others (Philippians 2:4-5).

Personally, I think that warning others of the things that are condemned and then showing them the way to overcome those things is in harmony with both Jesus' and Paul's teachings.

Concerning Jesus' teaching (in the context of our discussion) . . .

Jesus definitely emphasized the necessity of examining one's own eye (life) and removing any planks before helping someone else remove a speck from their eye (Matthew 7:1-5). However, once that plank is removed, what is that person then in a position to do (see the latter part of verse 5)? Can't they help someone remove something from their eye? Or, should they just talk about love, compassion, and self-concern while their brother has something in their eye? (Consider also James 2:14-18 about what one should do for another)

Most everyone knows John 3:16 very well . . . "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son" . . . However, very few want to discuss how Jesus spoke to the scribes and Pharisees who repeatedly withstood Him (see Matthew chapter 23). Why not? Didn't Jesus love them? Wasn't He prepared to die on the cross to cover their sins with the rest of the world's? Then, why did He speak to them in the manner that He did and say the things that He said to them? Do you find Jesus promoting love and compassion coupled with a tolerance for sin in that text of Scripture? I sure don't. I see Jesus longing to gather them as a hen does her chicks under her wings, but they were not willing to do that (verse 37).

Should we stone those who sin? Jesus answers "No" to that question in John 8:2-11. However, I don't believe that we should ignore the last thing he said to the woman that had been brought before Him - "Go and sin no more."

 

[somasoma77]

There inevitably comes a time when evil, the devil and matter fail as an answer to life’s problems. People intuitively know that God is one and that we are all united in God, pure consciousness and love; therefore, no one is left out of heaven, and everyone possess the inherent ability to discover God. No one needs to remain in evil and darkness, if one desires to find light and live in pure consciousness. When everything is seen as God, then there is nothing evil that can oppose God or divine consciousness. The devil cannot squelch, repeal or conceal pure consciousness just like we cannot stop the sun from rising; nothing has the power to stop pure consciousness in the individual mind.