Right & wrong

[slayer-2004]

Better to be empty then blatantly illogical and self contradictory .

 

[Carico]

The lengths that some people go to prove that Jesus didn't exist shows the degree of their conviction. Making up history and having beliefs that are based on ZERO evidence except their imaginations is logical? Hardly.

 

[slayer-2004]

Making up history and having beliefs that are based on ZERO evidence except their imaginations is logical? Hardly.

Glad you finally admit it .

 

[Carico]

Sorry, Slayer, but there is a myriad of evidence that Jesus lived and died for our sins. Only a blind man cannot see it. There is ZERO evidence for your beliefs except your imagination. The fact that you can't see that, shows me that arguing with you is like arguing with someone who thinks the world is flat. You have shown that you have nothing wise to say.

 

[CRitabe]

Atheists do not think they know better than God.
Atheists do not believe in God.

I'm sort of confused as to why someone that is a self-declared Athiest or Deist, etc... would spend their time on a website called Christian Forum? Am I missing something? I seem to continually run across these threads where the argument is presented over and over about the non-existence of God. Isn't there a web-site for Athiests where your Theological Debate can take place? The argument gets really mundane after several hundred postings.

 

[slayer-2004]

Sorry, Slayer, but there is a myriad of evidence that Jesus lived and died for our sins. Only a blind man cannot see it. There is ZERO evidence for your beliefs except your imagination. The fact that you can't see that, shows me that arguing with you is like arguing with someone who thinks the world is flat. You have shown that you have nothing wise to say.

 

[The Bellman]

I'm sort of confused as to why someone that is a self-declared Athiest or Deist, etc... would spend their time on a website called Christian Forum? Am I missing something? I seem to continually run across these threads where the argument is presented over and over about the non-existence of God. Isn't there a web-site for Athiests where your Theological Debate can take place? The argument gets really mundane after several hundred postings.

If you don't like it, don't post here. Easy.

 

[The Bellman]

Sorry, Slayer, but there is a myriad of evidence that Jesus lived and died for our sins. Only a blind man cannot see it..

Sorry, but there is SOME little evidence that Jesus lived. Certainly not a "myriad". There is no evidence outside of the bible that he "died for our sins".

Have your beliefs, by all means...but let's not make nonsensical false claims about them.

You have shown that you have nothing wise to say.

That's simply false. What you mean, of course, is that nothing he has said you agree with.

 

[dlamberth]

Sorry, Slayer, but there is a myriad of evidence that Jesus lived and died for our sins.

Not true. There is a first century third hand account about a holy man named Jesus. But nothing outside of Christian script mentions that Jesus died for our sins. Also, not all early Christian script mentions this either.

You have shown that you have nothing wise to say.

 

[dlamberth]

Sorry, Holy heretic, but words cannot prove the truth or falseness of Christianity. The truth stands on its own merit. So far, Jesus has never been proven a liar after 2,000 years, but if you think you can do what no man before you has, then give it the old college try. If you're that convinced that you know better than Jesus does, then by all means, pass along your widom to others. But dou don't fool me. Sorry.

What words of Jesus are you looking at? If it's about salvation, how can the "belief" that Jesus taught salvation be proven right or wrong when even in the Christian Belief system that time for judgment has not yet arrived. What evidance is there, other than in the transformation of people that the words attributed to Jesus are have any truth to them? But than why do so many of other spiritual traditions experience a transformation as well if there is only one true way to God?


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[Ryal Kane]

I'm sort of confused as to why someone that is a self-declared Athiest or Deist, etc... would spend their time on a website called Christian Forum? Am I missing something? I seem to continually run across these threads where the argument is presented over and over about the non-existence of God. Isn't there a web-site for Athiests where your Theological Debate can take place? The argument gets really mundane after several hundred postings.

I come to these message boards becasue there are some very intellegent debates about many different principles. I come here to learn from others and learn about the way others think. There are people on these boards, theist and atheist alike, who I am constantly humbled by in terms of knowledge and patience. If needs be I am here to challenge my own beliefs.
I do not wish to argue the existance of god. I can neither prove nor disprove the existance of god.

The lines of mine you quoted are not an arguement agaisnt the existance of god.They are an attempt to correct a misrepresentation of what I and many on these boards believe.

If there is one thing in the teachings of Christ which stands out to me it is the message of tolerance and understanding.
If we all stick to our own insular little worlds, communicating only with those who believe as we do then we will never understand others.

Ryal Kane

 

[Holy Heretic]

Figures, my links w/the evidence that was beeing asked for to support my assertions got censored, shoulda known better. You hypocrites!!!

 

[CRitabe]

If we all stick to our own insular little worlds, communicating only with those who believe as we do then we will never understand others.

I agree that challenging debate is healthy and interesting; however, so much of what I see and hear on this website is not debate nor is it intellectually stimulating, but simply a throwing out of preconceived ideas and challenge via stabbing shards of Biblical verse or a quick retreat to condescending inuendos.

I also hear a lot of piousness (not specifically from you - and I probably just lashed out at you indiscriminately for which I apologize) from some disbelievers who use their "disbelief" in a shock value way which just gets monotonous to read over and over and over. Reminds me of a bully on a playground which comes out to intimidate or shove someone around - as if they are sure that others are going to be "in awe" or "shocked" by their disbelief and unfortunately, there seem to be many "Christians" who way too quickly fall into the trap. It would seem to me that if one is firm in their belief in God - they would realize that He does not need defending. My desire would be for others to see beyond that "cat and mouse" stuff and simply move onto something else instead of wasting everyone's time with the same old, same old. Of course, that is simply my humble opinion. I just wondered why it seems to occur over and over and over and I appreciate your response.

It seems to me that those who are argumentative in their own brand of "canned" rhetoric whether it is "I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD" or "the Bible says thus and thus" re their particular stance are immature in their thinking process. As far as communicating with those who disagree with one's philosophy in order to promote understanding; I again agree that honest, open dialogue is beneficial; however, that is not what I hear most of the time in this forum. That is my humble opinion.

 

[silverflare]

It seems to me that those who are argumentative in their own brand of "canned" rhetoric whether it is "I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD" or "the Bible says thus and thus" re their particular stance are immature in their thinking process. As far as communicating with those who disagree with one's philosophy in order to promote understanding; I again agree that honest, open dialogue is beneficial; however, that is not what I hear most of the time in this forum. That is my humble opinion.

We don't come here to say "I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, LOOK AT ME I'M AN ATHEIST! ARRGH" we come here, to the General Apologetics area, to clarify Christian views on certain topics and to say "Here's an argument I have against Christianity. Discuss as you please." Are we going to change anybody's mind regarding Christianity? Probably not (But we may plant the seeds of disbelief every now and then). However, we can at least change people's minds about atheism and non-Christians in general. From your post, it seems there are still a lot of misconceptions that need clearing up.

 

[Holy Heretic]

yeah and one misconeption is the misconeption by a particular christian whom started a thread in the christians only forum about Universism{which we can't go into to correct their mistakes} where the individual makes assumption that Universists reject outrigh god,religon, and faith. When many Univerisst actually do believe in the Creator. We juct reject the revealed religons view of the Creator{as a Deistic Universist I'm one of these} and we reject absolutist/one way "revealed" faiths, not the notion of "faith" itself. And the movement is actually called by many a universist-as a 'religon".

I'd love to go corredt this person who has misrepresented Universism to the rest of the christians on the site, and correct them so that the people whom read that thread don't get the wrong impression about our Movement.
Unfortunately I cannot, and that offends me, because we are beeing misjudged and can;t even go and defend ourselves. that disgustes me to no end.
Perhpas the person who made that misjudgement of Universists should go and find out what we are really about before making a judgement on us and assumptions about us.
Does this person even consider looking into a religon before making assumptions about it? How many christians here are like that?

 

[silverflare]

Well we now have an open forum, so they are welcome to voice their criticism of Universism as much as they want. I'm not so much offended by criticism without a chance to defend ourselves, it doesn't concern me much. It just makes them look bad and raise curiousity about the philosophy.

 

[mindbender]

Hey, since we're welcoming criticism, here's the link to our open forum: universist.org/forum - go right ahead and criticize us to our faces.

 

[dlamberth]

Hey, since we're welcoming criticism, here's the link to our open forum: universist.org/forum - go right ahead and criticize us to our faces.

THANK YOU!!! The site looks very interesting. For me, the whole universality thing can be stated very clearly in just a few short words: "God is way too big to fit into one Religion".

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[Holy Heretic]

mindbender;
you do know they will eventually delete your post-or at least the link
They have done t to all my posts w/links to things like the Univesist site.
they have a double-standard about putting in links that describe other beliefs or back them up{allthough they can do so...to back up their beliefs}.
Lets see howlong your post lasts bro,any bets{$$$}???

 

[- DRA -]

When looking at all the thread topics I am simply amazed at how many people do not know right from wrong. Questions about whether homosexuality is right or wrong, nudism, what truth is, etc. This is the state of the human condition; not knowing what right and wrong are but sure being convinced of their OPINIONS of right and wrong! a HUGE contradiction! That's one reason why there's a God! But He is usually ignored in favor of a person's opinion, even though that person has demonstrated that he doesn't have the answers! It's called pride. This is one example of the proud being humbled. But nevertheless, people go on looking for answers from other people who don't know the answers. There's that pride again. No wonder your guys' questions never stop. You're asking the wrong sources!

Although Solomon loved the Lord, he asked God to give him the ability to better discern between good and evil 1 Kings 3:1-14. Being pleased with that request, the Lord gave him a wise and understanding heart.

Christians today should mature and be "those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil" (Hebrews 5:14b). We are admonished to ask for wisdom (James 1:5), and to diligently study his word (2 Timothy 2:15).

One of the first things to be considered is 1 Peter 4:11a, which says, "If anyone speaks let him speak as the oracles (words) of God." Obedience to this direct statement eliminates the "I think-so" and "I want it to be that way" reasoning. Considering that God "has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness" (2 Peter 1:3) and "all Scripture . . . is profitable . . . that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17), is sufficient reason for the diligent Bible student to focus his/her studies on God's word.

Sadly, those who desire to do things their way rather than desiring to do things God's way may get a whole lot more than they bargained for (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12).