Right To Life

[butterfoot]

When is right to life the right to life. I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion. Why would you choose this stance? To me this seems a little backwards.

Killing the innocent and Saving the Guilty. Liberals are against the Death Penalty which would be punishing someone for a horrible crime against another person.

I am pure right to life and I don't agree with abortion and I don't agree with the Death Penalty. If someone commits a crime put them in prison for life, But don't kill our innocent children either.


-cw

 

[Green Man]

When is right to life the right to life. I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion. Why would you choose this stance? To me this seems a little backwards.

Killing the innocent and Saving the Guilty. Liberals are against the Death Penalty which would be punishing someone for a horrible crime against another person.

I am pure right to life and I don't agree with abortion and I don't agree with the Death Penalty. If someone commits a crime put them in prison for life, But don't kill our innocent children either.


-cw

IMO,abortion is murder.As for the death penalty,I would have the criminal executed in the same manner as his victim was murdered.

 

[Spinrad]

When is right to life the right to life. I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion. Why would you choose this stance? To me this seems a little backwards.

Killing the innocent and Saving the Guilty. Liberals are against the Death Penalty which would be punishing someone for a horrible crime against another person.

I am pure right to life and I don't agree with abortion and I don't agree with the Death Penalty. If someone commits a crime put them in prison for life, But don't kill our innocent children either.


-cw

As far as abortion, I hate it but it's not my place to tell someone else what they do with their body.

Death penalty? If I trusted human beings to be able to figure out guilt or innocence to perfection I would be for it, but I do not so I am against it.

 

[dkara]

When is right to life the right to life. I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion. Why would you choose this stance? To me this seems a little backwards.
Killing the innocent and Saving the Guilty. Liberals are against the Death Penalty which would be punishing someone for a horrible crime against another person.
I am pure right to life and I don't agree with abortion and I don't agree with the Death Penalty. If someone commits a crime put them in prison for life, But don't kill our innocent children either.-cw

I am pro-choice.

I don't know when life starts. I don't think it starts before the child is viable so I don't believe it is 'killing.'

I am against the death penalty==I know there is life there. It's not up to me to shorten their days--maybe they'll reprent in their 11th hour of natural life in prison.

 

[levi501]

I would have the criminal executed in the same manner as his victim was murdered.

ok, so you'd like to expand the mandate of the government from not only protecting society but exacting revenge for those that are wronged?
I'd rather have a government without emotion that rules using only reason and logic. And if you think your idea serves a purpose other then revenge... you might want to look to how effective the death penalty is as a deterrent for crime.

 

[levi501]

When is right to life the right to life. I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion. Why would you choose this stance? To me this seems a little backwards.

pro-choice = anti-slavery.

I hope this helps.

 

[butterfoot]

I am pro-choice.

I don't know when life starts. I don't think it starts before the child is viable so I don't believe it is 'killing.'

I am against the death penalty==I know there is life there. It's not up to me to shorten their days--maybe they'll reprent in their 11th hour of natural life in prison.

Regardless if the child is viable and will live outside the woom the baby will be if left in its natural place until it is time to be born. If the woman decided to take the chance and have sex she has to know what the possibilities are. If the woman can't handle the child after its born thats fine put the child up for adoption.

pro-choice = anti-slavery.

I hope this helps.

How does pro-choice = anti-slavery?

-cw


-cw

 

[jayem]

I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion.

Once again, it has to be repeated.

I'm not "for abortion." I'm against government making elective abortion a criminal act, up to a point. (And I don't know that "most liberals" can be so blithely categorized.)

I think there are some crimes so abominable that the death penalty can be warranted as a matter of simple justice. But it's not foolproof in practice. Innocent people have been executed.

We don't live in a perfect world, and we shouldn't expect perfect answers to every problem. We sometimes have to make choices among undesireables. Abortion is terrible, but laws which give the government police power over a woman's reproductive life are worse. Just like murder is evil, but it's a worse evil when the state executes someone falsely convicted.

 

[Seeking...]

Sorry, but I won't play along.

If the child is not viable - it has no rights. The host (mother) gets to determine if the life is allowed to continue or not.

I'm pro death penalty too. Actually, if we could revamp our judicial system I would lengthen the list of capital crimes. I think you can do things that make your life forfeit.

Are you pleased? I am an equal opportunity executioner...

 

[Lokisdottir]

When is right to life the right to life. I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion. Why would you choose this stance? To me this seems a little backwards.

Not me. I'm what they call a "double deather."

 

[levi501]

How does pro-choice = anti-slavery?

for a woman that doesn't want a child, being forced to act as an incubator for 9 months including the sharing of biological resources is parasitic enslavement.

 

[flicka]

Regardless if the child is viable and will live outside the woom the baby will be if left in its natural place until it is time to be born. If the woman decided to take the chance and have sex she has to know what the possibilities are. If the woman can't handle the child after its born thats fine put the child up for adoption.
-cw

If your of the mind that carrying and delivering a child is punishment for any woman that decides to have sex (or has the decision made for her) you might have a point. But I believe the woman has control over her body until such a time as a second viable life is present, regardless of how the pregnancy resulted.

I'm just not that into punishing people for having sex. If I was I might have to think of something comparable for the men...and no, child support just doesn't cut it since your adoption solution lets them off scott free. There would have to be physical consequences IMHO....

 

[dkara]

Regardless if the child is viable and will live outside the woom the baby will be if left in its natural place until it is time to be born. If the woman decided to take the chance and have sex she has to know what the possibilities are. If the woman can't handle the child after its born thats fine put the child up for adoption.

I'll ditto Seeking...

If the child is not viable - it has no rights. The host (mother) gets to determine if the life is allowed to continue or not.

You wanted to know how I could be against the death penalty while pro-choice. I told you.

Blessings!

 

[butterfoot]

for a woman that doesn't want a child, being forced to act as an incubator for 9 months including the sharing of biological resources is parasitic enslavement.

There is an real simple way to prevent this. It is called abstinance but we can't teach that can we. But even if a woman decides to have sex there are numerous things she can do to prevent the need in killing an inocent baby. These are things such as hystorectomy, or birth control, or condoms, some of these things. I know that birth control and condoms are not full proof but that is where abstinance comes in. You know the risk when engaging in riskful behavior. Sorry but abortion is nothing more than killing an innocent child because someone didn't think about the risk before hand.


-cw

 

[butterfoot]

I am pro-choice.

I don't know when life starts. I don't think it starts before the child is viable so I don't believe it is 'killing.'

I am against the death penalty==I know there is life there. It's not up to me to shorten their days--maybe they'll reprent in their 11th hour of natural life in prison.

But thats what you think. I know that Life starts at the moment of conception. So based on what you think and what I know, abortion is killing.


-cw

 

[Carri20]

When is right to life the right to life. I notice that Most liberals while against the Death Penalty are for Abortion. Why would you choose this stance? To me this seems a little backwards.

Killing the innocent and Saving the Guilty. Liberals are against the Death Penalty which would be punishing someone for a horrible crime against another person.

I am pure right to life and I don't agree with abortion and I don't agree with the Death Penalty. If someone commits a crime put them in prison for life, But don't kill our innocent children either.

It is a tragic double-standard and another example of how "right has become wrong and wrong has become right", as biblical prophecy promises for the last days.

I must admit I'm a bit torn on the death penalty issue, though. As someone already stated, human error could easily result in an innocent person's death. Ideally there would be enough prison cells to hold murderers until their own deaths come naturally, but I realize this is not possible, so I remain neutral for now.

 

[Carri20]

I don't know when life starts. I don't think it starts before the child is viable so I don't believe it is 'killing.'

Since you admittedly don't know when life actually begins, wouldn't you rather err on the side of life, just to be safe?

 

[levi501]

There is an real simple way to prevent this. It is called abstinance but we can't teach that can we. But even if a woman decides to have sex there are numerous things she can do to prevent the need in killing an inocent baby. These are things such as hystorectomy, or birth control, or condoms, some of these things. I know that birth control and condoms are not full proof but that is where abstinance comes in. You know the risk when engaging in riskful behavior. Sorry but abortion is nothing more than killing an innocent child because someone didn't think about the risk before hand.

so parasitic enslavement is the punishment for enjoying sex...
sorry, I believe the woman's right to life and liberty supercedes that of her unborn child.

 

[levi501]

Since you admittedly don't know when life actually begins, wouldn't you rather err on the side of life, just to be safe?

no I'd rather err on the side of liberty for the mother as her rights are worth more in my eyes.

 

[charmtrap]

Since you admittedly don't know when life actually begins, wouldn't you rather err on the side of life, just to be safe?

No. I err on the side of the rights of the provably alive. There is no reason to believe that a pre-viability embryo is in any way a "person" in the sense that a grown woman is a "person".