Right Division

[timlamb]

Lets get to the business of "preaching Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO THE Revelation of the MYSTERY"...which is exactly what is being presented here.

Some dont want to acknowledge that Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry preached and taught the LAW, and taught it to the Jew ALONE.

That is NOT the gospel that saves today. The red letters in our bibles are NOT the words written to US for OUR salvation, but to the Jewish nation for THEIRS!

We are told in scripture to "teach NO OTHER DOCTRINE" but that which was delivered to PAUL, BY the RISEN and GLORIFIED LORD JESUS Christ, TO we who are the Church, which is His BODY.

How can we cooperate with God if we dont know WHAT GOSPEL He is presenting to the world today???

I submit, we cant!

And thats when we get into the serious business of preaching another jesus and another gospel, which Paul says carries with it a CURSE...and he says it TWICE!

Many have a zeal for God , but without knowledge. That knowledge is presented in its totality in our Bibles. ALL of the Bible is for us, for our learning,

but we CAN and DO SEE the distinctiveness of the specific doctrine presented to we the Body of Christ by studying Pauls letters ALONE.

The Words of the RISEN CHRIST were entrusted to Paul and it is THERE we find the "gospel of OUR salvation" in this age of GRACE.

Again, Show me; teach me the mystery Gospel.

Here is your chance eph3nine, Show me what I am missing.

You say Paul has a Gospel all his own from Jesus; given to no one else, different from the Gospel of James, John, and Peter. Not for the Jews, only us Gentiles. Well, here you go, I want to see it.

Suddenly I am getting answers that are different from what you have been saying, Like "Paul taught to everyone" It is the others who don't teach to us.

Well lets have it, some required teaching of Paul that no one else can tell me.

Whare is the division, where is the mystery?

 

[timlamb]

=Tychicum]

You are twisting the message tim. (or you truly don't follow) ...

No, I am asking for exactly what eph3nine posted, and has posted since I came to this thread.

Paul taught to Jew and Gentile BOTH. God had turned from Israel ... but Paul (bless him) kept on keeping on. Until Acts 28 at least ...

But all along I have been hearing about this mystery Gospel that paul alone had for the Gentiles only, Where is is? I want to see it.

It was Jesus and the 12 who restricted their ministry ... and it was to the Jews.

So God turned His back on Israel, but Paul(bless his heart) went back for them, poor things, abandon by God. And you say I don't have to follow Jesus teaching in scripture because it was for the Jews not US. But I am sure I read in the bible that Jesus sent the disiples out to take the Gospel to the world and ALL CREATION, but that was the wrong Gospel huh, only Paul has the right Gospel, RIGHT(ly divided)?

I'm waiting, show me the words of Paul I have missed all these years that answer a mystery that no one else could explain in the new testament.

 

[eph3Nine]

You have BEEN shown, many times, with scripture, and have refused to listen or consider. WE have proven our points, now its up to YOU to either READ Romans thru Philemon and compare on your own, or READ what has been set out for you here on this forum and CONSIDER what is being said in Pauls epistles.

Dont keep acting as if we havent TRIED to show you EXACTLY where the mystery is found and laid it all out for you!!!!

 

[timlamb]

You have BEEN shown, many times, with scripture, and have refused to listen or consider. WE have proven our points, now its up to YOU to either READ Romans thru Philemon and compare on your own, or READ what has been set out for you here on this forum and CONSIDER what is being said in Pauls epistles.

Dont keep acting as if we havent TRIED to show you EXACTLY where the mystery is found and laid it all out for you!!!!

I knew it, a dodge. You cant give me just five verses that back all your talk, I expected as much.

 

[eph3Nine]

How is providing you with a full forum of BIBLE STUDY with verses that actually SUPPORT doctrines given us BY GOD a "dodge?"

Methinks you doth protest too much, and read too little, my friend. People have spent a great deal of time providing you with ALL you need to make a start in believing Gods MYSTERY message to we the Body of Christ.

Just admit it...you dont WANT to know.

 

[biblebeliever123]

The gospel message given to Paul for 'usward' is for ALL people. Paul was sent to the gentiles.... meaning 'nations'. Israel has been set aside temporarily in unbelief that God might have mercy upon ALL. Israel as a nation has no special standing; they are just one of the nations. Paul's message is for all who will believe regardless of nationality. Get that straight...no one is saying that Paul does not minister to 'jews'. The gospel is for all.

 

[eph3Nine]

The gospel message given to Paul for 'usward' is for ALL people. Paul was sent to the gentiles.... meaning 'nations'. Israel has been set aside temporarily in unbelief that God might have mercy upon ALL. Israel as a nation has no special standing; they are just one of the nations. Paul's message is for all who will believe regardless of nationality. Get that straight...no one is saying that Paul does not minister to 'jews'. The gospel is for all.

Amen, scripture tells us that "He (God) concluded them all (jew AND gentile) in UNBELIEF (no more special status for the NATION Israel as they become ONE of the nations..plural), so that He might have mercy upon ALL"

 

[biblebeliever123]

The formation of the body of Christ.( 1 Cor.12:27,Eph. 4:12, Romans 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, Eph. 4:4, Col. 3:15, Eph. 1:22,23, Col. 1:18, Eph. 3:6 Eph. 2:14-18, Romans 10:12,13, beginning with Paul 1 Tim. 1:13-16)

This present dispensation of grace. (Eph. 3:2, Col. 1:25 , Eph. 3:9)

The gospel of the grace of God.( Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:7, Romans, 3:24, 1 Cor. 1:17,18, Gal. 6:14, Col. 1:20, Romans 3:25, Eph. 1:7, COl. 1:14, Rom. 5:9, 1 Cor. 15:1-4, Romans 10:9, 2 Cor. 5:15, Eph. 2:1,5 Romans 3:10,23;Romans 5:12)

The temporary setting aside of Israel.
(Romans 11:25, Acts 28:27,28, Romans 11:11, 12, 15)
According to PROPHECY gentiles would be svaed thru the SALVTION /RISE of Israel (Is. 11;1, 10, Romans 15:8-12) According to MYSTERY salvation has come to the gentiles through the FALL of Israel.

(Events that indicate a change in God's plan and program, Acts. 7:51, Acts 9:15, Acts 10:44, Acts 12:2, Acts 13:2, Acts 15:13-21, Acts2;28 changed to Acts 16:31, Acts 28:25-28)

The equality of jew and gentile.
Romans 3:9, Romans 3:19, Romans 3:22,23; Romans 10;12,13; Romans 11:32)

There are the first five points about the mystery. Search the scriptures for yourself and if you refuse to acknowledge a change from God's prophetic program to his mystery program as revealed to the apostle Paul then you have set yourself in opposition to the truth.
You can also do a word search right on this forum. Go to tools, type in 'the mystery' 'paul's gospel' 'the church', 'right division' etc (key words that you have already seen) and the threads will come up... go back and read the information.
You wanted five at a time... if you refuse these, no point in continuing with you.
If you refute them, use scripture and you can spell out YOUR stand on something.

If you reject these five points, you will be placed on ignore by me because I will use the principle of after the first or second adomonition, reject... also to not strive about words. If you don't see it, it's your own choice and you are answerable before God at the judgement seat of Christ for your rejection of the pauline truth. That is the standard by which we will be judged for rewards or loss of rewards.

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. (read on down in the passage yourself)

 

[BroRick]

Agreed...miss you bb!

 

[biblebeliever123]

Agreed...miss you bb!

HUGS RICK !!! so good to see you again!

Philemon 1:4 I thank my God, making mention of thee always in my prayers,Philemon 1:5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;Philemon 1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

 

[eph3Nine]

Five Points asked for by TimLamb;not found ANYWHERE but in Pauls MYSTERY truths (given Him by the RISEN Lord Jesus)

1. The formation of the body of Christ.

( 1 Cor.12:27,Eph. 4:12, Romans 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, Eph. 4:4, Col. 3:15, Eph. 1:22,23, Col. 1:18, Eph. 3:6 Eph. 2:14-18, Romans 10:12,13, beginning with Paul 1 Tim. 1:13-16)

2. This present dispensation of grace.

(Eph. 3:2, Col. 1:25 , Eph. 3:9)

3. The gospel of the grace of God.

( Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:7, Romans, 3:24, 1 Cor. 1:17,18, Gal. 6:14, Col. 1:20, Romans 3:25, Eph. 1:7, COl. 1:14, Rom. 5:9, 1 Cor. 15:1-4, Romans 10:9, 2 Cor. 5:15, Eph. 2:1,5 Romans 3:10,23;Romans 5:12)

4. The temporary setting aside of Israel.

(Romans 11:25, Acts 28:27,28, Romans 11:11, 12, 15)
According to PROPHECY gentiles would be svaed thru the SALVTION /RISE of Israel (Is. 11;1, 10, Romans 15:8-12) According to MYSTERY salvation has come to the gentiles through the FALL of Israel.

(Events that indicate a change in God's plan and program, Acts. 7:51, Acts 9:15, Acts 10:44, Acts 12:2, Acts 13:2, Acts 15:13-21, Acts2;28 changed to Acts 16:31, Acts 28:25-28)

5. The equality of jew and gentile.

Romans 3:9, Romans 3:19, Romans 3:22,23; Romans 10;12,13; Romans 11:32)

There are the first five points about the mystery, that YOU asked for!

Search the scriptures for yourself and... if you refuse to acknowledge a change from God's prophetic program to his mystery program as revealed to the apostle Paul then you have set yourself in opposition to the truth.

You can also do a word search right on this forum. Go to tools, type in 'the mystery' 'paul's gospel' 'the church', 'right division' etc (key words that you have already seen) and the threads will come up... go back and read the information.

You wanted five at a time... if you refuse these, no point in continuing with you.

If you refute them, use scripture and you can spell out YOUR stand on something.

If you reject these five points, you will be placed on ignore by me because I will use the principle of "after the first or second adomonition, reject"... also to not strive about words.

If you don't see it, it's your own choice and you are answerable before God at the judgement seat of Christ for your rejection of the pauline truth. That (pauline truth) is the standard by which we will be judged for rewards or loss of rewards.

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Whose gospel is being referred to here? Pauls.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. (read on down in the passage yourself)

Heres information DEMANDED and ignored.