Rick Warren represents us?

[MrJim]

OBAMA AND MCCAIN TRY TO WOO CONSERVATIVE VOTERS AT FORUM

Another article from CNN

From article:

Barack Obama and John McCain went soul-searching before America’s massive Christian evangelical community Saturday evening, sitting down with influential pastor Rick Warren to answer his questions on faith and leadership.

Though the event was meant to broadly address moral themes, Warren touched on hot-button issues minutes into it, asking Obama his thoughts on gay marriage, abortion and stem-cell research.

Obama reaffirmed his stance that marriage is “the union between a man and a woman,” although he supports civil unions for gay partners. He said he would not support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage because the issue is one for state governments to handle.

He said he is pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. Obama explained that he thinks women don’t make the decision to have an abortion casually and wrestle with it.

I find this kinda embarassing that somehow Rick Warren is representing conservative Christians & conservatives in general How did this happen?

 

[Hentenza]

Obama reaffirmed his stance that marriage is “the union between a man and a woman,” although he supports civil unions for gay partners. He said he would not support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage because the issue is one for state governments to handle.

He said he is pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. Obama explained that he thinks women don’t make the decision to have an abortion casually and wrestle with it.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Isn't he just acting as the interviewer?

 

[Nadiine]

OBAMA AND MCCAIN TRY TO WOO CONSERVATIVE VOTERS AT FORUM

Another article from CNN

From article:

Barack Obama and John McCain went soul-searching before America’s massive Christian evangelical community Saturday evening, sitting down with influential pastor Rick Warren to answer his questions on faith and leadership.

Though the event was meant to broadly address moral themes, Warren touched on hot-button issues minutes into it, asking Obama his thoughts on gay marriage, abortion and stem-cell research.

Obama reaffirmed his stance that marriage is “the union between a man and a woman,” although he supports civil unions for gay partners. He said he would not support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage because the issue is one for state governments to handle.

He said he is pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. Obama explained that he thinks women don’t make the decision to have an abortion casually and wrestle with it.

I find this kinda embarassing that somehow Rick Warren is representing conservative Christians & conservatives in general How did this happen?

how? my only answer is this - complacency?

These days if your church is huge you're a good pastor in the world's eyes. Even better if you pass out some charity!
Doctrine isn't essential anymore, "love" is.

This PC love today is the death of truth imo. Oh it's wonderful to do charity and give and serve.... BUT WHAT OF DOCTRINE? What are they preaching?

If you go & read Warren's agenda (who aligns himself with other church leaders w/ the same agenda), he actually fits in with the endtime's antichrist's positions in uniting world faiths to "fix the world's problem & bring peace". I have lots of info on it.

People are asleep at the wheel - apathetic, complacent....
Imo, the world/media is who promotes the Christian leaders, not the church itself.

With all that said, I ask this, what are we supposed to do about this though? You don't exactly want to go on the rampage publically & rip into Warren, all it would do is look like what Phelps does to gays . Imo, it would do more harm than good.

The question is what do we do & how do we do it.

 

[Nadiine]

Isn't he just acting as the interviewer?

It's the position he's coined in the world to even have such clout to get a Presidential debate as a Pastor.

It's about his standing/reputation in the world's eyes more than just that he asked the questions - it's an extremely huge message that he got to do this at all.

 

[MrJim]

Isn't he just acting as the interviewer?

Somehow he's set himself as the face of evangelical Christianity~a face to represent the rest of us, maybe he's picked up Falwell's mantle--it sure wasn't passed to him..

 

[Nadiine]

Somehow he's set himself as the face of evangelical Christianity~a face to represent the rest of us, maybe he's picked up Falwell's mantle--it sure wasn't passed to him..

most likely due to the numbers of minions who praise him?

 

[MrJim]

most likely due to the numbers of minions who praise him?

Could be~I had my issues with Falwell but Warren isn't even in the same class..

Warren kinda reminds me of Obama~charm & polish covering up something else..

 

[GQ Chris]

Ricky Warren doesn't represent me. I'm on to his Agenda...

he is of the wolves that have crept in unawares as written about in Jude.

 

[Nadiine]

Ricky Warren doesn't represent me. I'm on to his Agenda...

he is of the wolves that have crept in unawares as written about in Jude.

I got this webpage email - these are the top leaders in the Emergent church & this is part of Warren's agenda:
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Emerging Church leader promotes lifestyle rather than faith
Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 8/1/2008 7:00:00 AM

A Christian broadcaster claims that Emerging Church leader Brian McLaren is fulfilling the biblical prophecy that in the latter days men will not put up with sound doctrine – according to II Timothy 4:3.

Brian McLaren recently addressed 650 Anglican bishops attending the Lambeth Conference, a meeting he says was characterized by "a loving atmosphere" and "a deep spirituality centered in Bible study, worship, and prayer."
McLaren tells ChristianToday.com that he envisions a new era for Christianity, which "is more about the Christian way of life than it is about a rigid and polemicized systems of belief."

Tom McMahon, president of the The Berean Call ministry, says McLaren is obviously ashamed of the biblical gospel and is bent upon making it accommodate his own ideas about Christianity and "the Christian way of life."

"Once you throw off biblical doctrine, what do you have to guide you? This is to me a reflection of what Satan did with Eve in the Garden – this is Genesis 3:1, 'Yea, hath God said?'
In other words, if you undermine what God had said, then what have you got?" he questions. "Well, you've got Proverbs 14:12, 'There's a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death' -- or destruction."

McLaren also tells ChristianityToday.com the future of Christianity will also require Christians to "join humbly and charitably with people of other faiths -- Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, secularists and others -- in pursuit of peace, environmental stewardship," and other things that quote "matter greatly to the heart of God."
But McMahon argues that what matters most to the heart of God is that individuals receive salvation on "his terms...through his gospel."

"And that's what people of the world, people of faith desperately need," the ministry leader concludes.

McLaren has joined the Matthew 25 Network, a liberal political action group of Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostals and Evangelicals seeking to get Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) elected president.

 

[ahiggs]

OBAMA AND MCCAIN TRY TO WOO CONSERVATIVE VOTERS AT FORUM

Another article from CNN

From article:

Barack Obama and John McCain went soul-searching before America’s massive Christian evangelical community Saturday evening, sitting down with influential pastor Rick Warren to answer his questions on faith and leadership.

Though the event was meant to broadly address moral themes, Warren touched on hot-button issues minutes into it, asking Obama his thoughts on gay marriage, abortion and stem-cell research.

Obama reaffirmed his stance that marriage is “the union between a man and a woman,” although he supports civil unions for gay partners. He said he would not support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage because the issue is one for state governments to handle.

He said he is pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. Obama explained that he thinks women don’t make the decision to have an abortion casually and wrestle with it.

I find this kinda embarassing that somehow Rick Warren is representing conservative Christians & conservatives in general How did this happen?

i didn't watch much of it, just caught it in passing but he sure seemed to just glow over obama

 

[GQ Chris]

So Ricky just wants everyone to gather round and sing cumbaya... there is more than one way to God.

 

[GQ Chris]

I just remember Bold Men of God like Paul write in Galatians, that he wished those that would trouble others would "kindly" go Mutilate themselves

I don't think Paul was a PC liberal...

 

[Nadiine]

I just remember Bold Men of God like Paul write in Galatians, that he wished those that would preach falsehood or a different Gospel would "kindly" Mutilate themselves

..

 

[MrJim]

Maybe they'll broadcast that on Saddleback TV

 

[Nadiine]

Maybe they'll broadcast that on Saddleback TV

lol on the topic of what to do after we capture Bin Laden?

 

[Rhamiel]

I was planning to read "a purpose driven life" by Warren so I could better understand modern evangelicalism as compared to orthodox Catholicism. Now I am thinking that this might not be a good choice of books (but i know a lot of methodist and other protestants really like his book)

 

[ahiggs]

I was planning to read "a purpose driven life" by Warren so I could better understand modern evangelicalism as compared to orthodox Catholicism. Now I am thinking that this might not be a good choice of books

not if you want sound theology

(but i know a lot of methodist and other protestants really like his book)

unfortunately ther are a lot of people that have been duped by him and others like him wouldn't recomend anything by osteen either...maybe more along the lines of john macarther, or another good one would be all of grace by charles h spurgeon.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I got this webpage email - these are the top leaders in the Emergent church & this is part of Warren's agenda:
-------------------------------------------------

Emerging Church leader promotes lifestyle rather than faith
Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 8/1/2008 7:00:00 AM

A Christian broadcaster claims that Emerging Church leader Brian McLaren is fulfilling the biblical prophecy that in the latter days men will not put up with sound doctrine – according to II Timothy 4:3.

Brian McLaren recently addressed 650 Anglican bishops attending the Lambeth Conference, a meeting he says was characterized by "a loving atmosphere" and "a deep spirituality centered in Bible study, worship, and prayer."
McLaren tells ChristianToday.com that he envisions a new era for Christianity, which "is more about the Christian way of life than it is about a rigid and polemicized systems of belief."

Tom McMahon, president of the The Berean Call ministry, says McLaren is obviously ashamed of the biblical gospel and is bent upon making it accommodate his own ideas about Christianity and "the Christian way of life."

"Once you throw off biblical doctrine, what do you have to guide you? This is to me a reflection of what Satan did with Eve in the Garden – this is Genesis 3:1, 'Yea, hath God said?'
In other words, if you undermine what God had said, then what have you got?" he questions. "Well, you've got Proverbs 14:12, 'There's a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death' -- or destruction."

McLaren also tells ChristianityToday.com the future of Christianity will also require Christians to "join humbly and charitably with people of other faiths -- Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, secularists and others -- in pursuit of peace, environmental stewardship," and other things that quote "matter greatly to the heart of God."
But McMahon argues that what matters most to the heart of God is that individuals receive salvation on "his terms...through his gospel."

"And that's what people of the world, people of faith desperately need," the ministry leader concludes.

McLaren has joined the Matthew 25 Network, a liberal political action group of Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostals and Evangelicals seeking to get Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) elected president.

What that all boils down to is that McLaren is a liberal... and he is, both theologically and politically. But still, I find some good insights in his books, and I enjoy reading him, though I don't agree with his liberal views.

But I don't see anything wrong with working with people of other faiths on specific issues that we can agree on. That doesn't mean we have to agree with them on anything else.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I was planning to read "a purpose driven life" by Warren so I could better understand modern evangelicalism as compared to orthodox Catholicism. Now I am thinking that this might not be a good choice of books (but i know a lot of methodist and other protestants really like his book)

not if you want sound theology

unfortunately ther are a lot of people that have been duped by him and others like him wouldn't recomend anything by osteen either...maybe more along the lines of john macarther, or another good one would be all of grace by charles h spurgeon.

Rick Warren represents a moderate wing of evangelicalism, which is not IMHO a bad thing, but he is a working pastor, not a theologian, and not even a pastor whose central focus is theology. I haven't read any of his work yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if his theology were less than perfectly sound. He could probably help you understand his branch of evangelicalism, but he wouldn't be much help with the more conservative wing of it.

OTOH, MacArthur isn't so much a conservative as a Calvinist cessationist fundamentalist, so while he might be worth reading, he wouldn't give you the most balanced perspective either. Spurgeon is a classic, but he died in 1892, so there are definite limits on how much light he could shed on today's evangelical movement.

I would think Alister McGrath or Millard Erickson would be more to the center of modern evangelical theology, and thus more to the point. For a Pentecostal perspective, I'd suggest Stanley M. Horton.