Richard Dawkins vs Conall and Donall

[HitchSlap]

No. Would you?

Claims of eternal damnation with zero supporting evidence is arrogance, ignorance and absurdity, all rolled into one.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, the man does have a point, doesn't he.

HammerOfThor told me off for saying that Dawkins make those two points. Now you want to present them as a kind of badge of honour?

 

[Davian]

Then why does he say precisely those things in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0

Specifically; he says that god is mean and nasty and hence unworthy of faith.

He also says that religion is absurd "bronze age" mythology that is dispelled by the light of science properly understood.

Do you feel that these statements are not accurate?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Claims of eternal damnation with zero supporting evidence is arrogance, ignorance and absurdity, all rolled into one.

I don't think so. Mind you I don't have a clue where such claims are made. But have at it, let's see where you think they are made.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Do you feel that these statements are not accurate?

That is correct.

 

[HitchSlap]

I don't think so. Mind you I don't have a clue where such claims are made. But have at it, let's see where you think they are made.

Knock yourself out.

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[HitchSlap]

HammerOfThor told me off for saying that Dawkins make those two points. Now you want to present them as a kind of badge of honour?

Yes, it takes courage to point out fatuous claims of the religious.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes, it takes courage to point out fatuous claims of the religious.

It takes wit to point out the fatuous absurdity of Richard Dawkins' attempts to ridicule Christianity. Conall & Donall do an excellent job of it.

 

[HammerOfThor]

told me off

I responded, I never "told you off"

 

[HitchSlap]

It takes wit to point out the fatuous absurdity of Richard Dawkins' attempts to ridicule Christianity. Conall & Donall do an excellent job of it.

Dawkins doesn't attempt to ridicule, he does precisely that; with wit, humor, cynicism, sarcasm, irony and aplomb. I'm sorry he hurt your feelings and that you somehow think a silly cartoon vindicates yours religion.

 

[TillICollapse]

Is your question that coups de gras that will end my religious suffering? A mercy blow to religious thinking by means of what, exactly?

No, I've never met Jesus. Not face to face, nor in a vision, nor in a dream. Did you think that faith in Jesus Christ rests on meeting him? Oh never mind, I doubt anybody would seriously entertain such a notion.

I don't see where you responded to this question, but I haven't read every post made since last night either:

If I understand what you're saying: why do you doubt anyone would seriously entertain such a notion as meeting Jesus ?

 

[Davian]

Conall and Donall are still the champions. Cartoon-richard-dawkins lost the debate.

I reckon that a number of posts in this thread reflect the 'wisdom' of cartoon-richard-dawkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLkQnCurgs

 

[dms1972]

Then we would be able to have found some evidence to that. You'd think after witnessing the most important event in human history that people would be in a furious uproar. There would thousands of papers and reports on it. There would be diaries and journals and statues and celebrations.

As there are - 2000 years worth! In fact there are statues all over the world, and even under the ocean! Celebrations in nearly every country - Christmas, Easter, and many other days marking the events in the life of Jesus of Nazareth. When Paul and two of his travelling companions were in Ephesus their preaching caused an uproar, and the townclerk had to restore the calm - see Acts of the Apostles Chapter 20, from verse 23 to end of the chapter. All historical.

The issue maybe is that what you call, or think of as "the church" is really just ordinary human beings who have met Jesus, or experienced and responded to His Presence, or His Words - so its not "the church" as sometimes thought of as such - its just ordinary people who have come from all walks of life to recognise Jesus of Nazareth as the Way, the Truth, the Life. And there are people in amongst them who are not yet sure, or are seeking, exploring what christianity is.

I don't believe because there is a statue, it is that there is no other message having looked into several of them that I see makes any real sense, or brings hope, or speaks to the human condition, or my lost state.

 

[MoreCoffee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLkQnCurgs

I love Australians; such clever people

I hope viewers take note of the secret code words in that video clip. I hope they will realise what a sophisticated parody of USA creationism vs evolution debates it is. How subtly it undermines all the clichéd responses of atheism to Christianity. And most of all how the progressive vacating of the debate by the theists while the moderator was making his carefully crafted pro-creationist speech is such a damning condemnation of atheism.

Thank you for your indulgence.

 

[Davian]

That is correct.

Will this hypothetical god of yours condemn someone to eternal torture for something out of their control, such as disbelief, strictly out of his own vengeance? Sounds nasty to me.

Does science show the Bible to comport with observations of reality, or to be myths of global floods, giant boats, moving mountains with prayer, talking animals, living to be 900 years old...

 

[Davian]

I love Australians; such clever people

I hope viewers take note of the secret code words in that video clip. I hope they will realise what a sophisticated parody of USA creationism vs evolution debates it is. How subtly it undermines all the clichéd responses of atheism to Christianity. And most of all how the progressive vacating of the debate by the theists while the moderator was making his carefully crafted pro-creationist speech is such a damning condemnation of atheism.

Thank you for your indulgence.

"...secret code words..." that only you can detect.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Will this hypothetical god of yours condemn someone to eternal torture for something out of their control, such as disbelief, strictly out of his own vengeance? Sounds nasty to me.

Does science show the Bible to comport with observations of reality, or to be myths of global floods, giant boats, moving mountains with prayer, talking animals, living to be 900 years old...

God is not hypothetical.

Didn't Conall & Donall dispose of the line of argument in your post? One can't prove the non-existence of something simply because one claims it is mean and nasty.

 

[MoreCoffee]

"...secret code words..." that only you can detect.

I am Australian so I know the secrets.

 

[Davian]

God is not hypothetical.

<looks for evidence to prove otherwise, sees none>

The burden lies with the religionist to demonstrate that their particular deity is not hypothetical.

Didn't Conall & Donall dispose of the line of argument in your post? One can't prove the non-existence of something simply because one claims it is mean and nasty.

I never stated that. I was only referring to a character in a book. Is that an acknowledgement that the god character of the Bible is of the nasty sort? Vengeful, and all that?

 

[Davian]

I am Australian so I know the secrets.

So secret even you can't show that they are there.

Keep going.

Hilarious.