Richard Dawkins on God's behavior in the OT

[thomas_t]

If you count facebook likes, Dawkins is the most important atheist in the world.

Dawkins thinks God is a "vindictive control freak".
However, in this video LINK (see minute 1:14:16), Dawkins discusses rape in Judges 19 concluding "[the story] surely tells us something about the status of women in this religious society!".

In my opinion, Dawkins creates a perfect deadlock for God.
1) If God reacts Dawkins criticises him as being vengeful, if I understand Dawkins right.
2) If he does not then Dawkins criticises the behavior of "this religious society".
BTW in the video, Dawkins left out God's response to what happened in Judges 20.

God will always be wrong for Dawkins, I think.

Thomas

 

[GodsGrace101]

If you count facebook likes, Dawkins is the most important atheist in the world.

Dawkins thinks God is a "vindictive control freak".
However, in this video LINK (see minute 1:14:16), Dawkins discusses rape in Judges 19 concluding "[the story] surely tells us something about the status of women in this religious society!".

In my opinion, Dawkins creates a perfect deadlock for God.
1) If God reacts Dawkins criticises him as being vengeful, if I understand Dawkins right.
2) If he does not then Dawkins criticises the behavior of "this religious society".
BTW in the video, Dawkins left out God's response to what happened in Judges 20.

God will always be wrong for Dawkins, I think.

Thomas

Dawkins is the no. 1 atheist in the world.
Undisputed.

And, as far as I'm concerned, we Christians have misunderstood and misrepresented the O.Tl which makes us a silly bunch of persons.

But that's a story for another day.
And I'd need to be Empress for a day and change some stuff.

 

[Radagast]

Richard Dawkins has no particular expertise in philosophy, theology, or the interpretation of Scripture.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Dawkins is the no. 1 atheist in the world.

Pfffft. I am the #1 atheist in the world.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Pfffft. I am the #1 atheist in the world.

Yeah.
And don't think I don't know it !

 

[Aussie Pete]

If you count facebook likes, Dawkins is the most important atheist in the world.

Dawkins thinks God is a "vindictive control freak".
However, in this video LINK (see minute 1:14:16), Dawkins discusses rape in Judges 19 concluding "[the story] surely tells us something about the status of women in this religious society!".

In my opinion, Dawkins creates a perfect deadlock for God.
1) If God reacts Dawkins criticises him as being vengeful, if I understand Dawkins right.
2) If he does not then Dawkins criticises the behavior of "this religious society".
BTW in the video, Dawkins left out God's response to what happened in Judges 20.

God will always be wrong for Dawkins, I think.

Thomas

Perhaps Mr Dawkins would like to discuss the actions of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi, the Kim dynasty of North Korea, Ceaușescu and other atheist dictators.

Mr Dawkins will soon discover that he was wrong all along. Again I wonder how an atheist can attribute any qualities of any kind to a God they do not believe exists. He is famous, educated, erudite and well able to present an argument. However, his arguments are just as specious as any other atheist. They start with an unprovable assumption and go downhill from there. He sees what believers see and comes to the opposite conclusion.

The evidence for God is compelling - God deems it sufficient. People choose what to believe and what to disbelieve.

 

[DaisyDay]

If you count facebook likes, Dawkins is the most important atheist in the world.

Why in the world you think that Facebook likes is an indication of anyone's importance?

Dawkins thinks God is a "vindictive control freak".
However, in this video LINK (see minute 1:14:16), Dawkins discusses rape in Judges 19 concluding "[the story] surely tells us something about the status of women in this religious society!".

The status of women as indicated in that story is not very high. Are you arguing otherwise?

In my opinion, Dawkins creates a perfect deadlock for God.
1) If God reacts Dawkins criticises him as being vengeful, if I understand Dawkins right.
2) If he does not then Dawkins criticises the behavior of "this religious society".
BTW in the video, Dawkins left out God's response to what happened in Judges 20.

Doesn't the Bible say that God is vengeful, that He reserves vengeance for Himself (and those He directs)?

One person was killed and cattle were burned alive and a city fell. Is Dawkins criticizing any reaction or this non-proportional reaction?

Where does Dawkins criticize God for not reacting?

God will always be wrong for Dawkins, I think.

God doesn't exist for Dawkins.

 

[thomas_t]

Why in the world you think that Facebook likes is an indication of anyone's importance?

The status of women as indicated in that story is not very high. Are you arguing otherwise?

Doesn't the Bible say that God is vengeful, that He reserves vengeance for Himself (and those He directs)?

One person was killed and cattle were burned alive and a city fell. Is Dawkins criticizing any reaction or this non-proportional reaction?

Where does Dawkins criticize God for not reacting?

God doesn't exist for Dawkins.

interesting answer. We are not allowed to discuss among believers in this section... but if it's a Unitarian... I make an exception.
God doesn't exist for Dawkins but the Bible stories do and he interprets them.
God did not save the woman in the story. So effectively, God reacted late (one chapter after).
Dawkins did not criticise God, here we agree. But Dawkins criticises "this religious society" as outlined by Judges 19.
So whether God reacts or not,... Dawkins seems to be always objecting to Christian faith. If God reacts taking vengeance, he criticises Him. If he does not (or if he does so but late), then he criticises the religious society. That's my point.

Yes, God claims vengeance to be his.
And that's what Dawkins criticeses Him for. That was my point.

The status of women was too low in that tribe. Therefore obliteration one chapter after, see Judges 20.

Facebook likes is an indication of popularity as I see it.
He has 1.5 million likes on facebook. I'm at 30.
I need to work harder.
Thomas

 

[GodsGrace101]

interesting answer. We are not allowed to discuss among believers in this section... but if it's a Unitarian... I make an exception.
God doesn't exist for Dawkins but the Bible stories do and he interprets them.
God did not save the woman in the story. So effectively, God reacted late (one chapter after).
Dawkins did not criticise God, here we agree. But Dawkins criticises "this religious society" as outlined by Judges 19.
So whether God reacts or not,... Dawkins seems to be always objecting to Christian faith. If God reacts taking vengeance, he criticises Him. If he does not (or if he does so but late), then he criticises the religious society. That's my point.

Yes, God claims vengeance to be his.
And that's what Dawkins criticeses Him for. That was my point.

The status of women was too low in that tribe. Therefore obliteration one chapter after, see Judges 20.

Facebook likes is an indication of popularity as I see it.
He has 1.5 million likes on facebook. I'm at 30.
I need to work harder.
Thomas

Dawkins said in an interview I myself watched on YouTube that Christianity needs to be ELIMINATED.

It goes beyond not being a believer or not agreeing with Christianity.

Some in his "group" actually wants to push us into the sea.

 

[DaisyDay]

Facebook likes is an indication of popularity as I see it.

Yes, popularity among Facebook users in that particular language/area. Popularity on one platform doesn't equal overall importance, imo.

 

[DaisyDay]

Dawkins said in an interview I myself watched on YouTube that Christianity needs to be ELIMINATED.

Not just Christianity, but all religious belief - he is an extremist.

It goes beyond not being a believer or not agreeing with Christianity.

It does - he would like to eliminate all religions.

Some in his "group" actually wants to push us into the sea.

Could be, but I think most just want to convert, not kill.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Not just Christianity, but all religious belief - he is an extremist.

It does - he would like to eliminate all religions.

Could be, but I think most just want to convert, not kill.

Agreed on all.

But why do you think this is?

Atheism has become a religion.
I just don't understand why.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Agreed on all.

But why do you think this is?

Atheism has become a religion.
I just don't understand why.

Atheism is in no way a religion. Those of us who are atheists acknowledge no leader, have no tenets, have no dogma, no nothing. That more and more think that this is a good way is a good thing, but that doesn't make it a religion.

On Reddit, in a sub-reddit for asking atheists questions, the overwhelming majority agreed both that religion should go away, but that it should not be legislated away. I imagine that Dawkins would agree, but as noted, he doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

Perhaps Mr Dawkins would like to discuss the actions of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi, the Kim dynasty of North Korea, Ceaușescu and other atheist dictators.

Mr Dawkins will soon discover that he was wrong all along.

I'm pretty certain he does. Stalin trained as a Catholic priest, so he was really a believer... if you are Professor Dawkins

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

If you count facebook likes, Dawkins is the most important atheist in the world.

Dawkins thinks God is a "vindictive control freak".
However, in this video LINK (see minute 1:14:16), Dawkins discusses rape in Judges 19 concluding "[the story] surely tells us something about the status of women in this religious society!".

In my opinion, Dawkins creates a perfect deadlock for God.
1) If God reacts Dawkins criticises him as being vengeful, if I understand Dawkins right.
2) If he does not then Dawkins criticises the behavior of "this religious society".
BTW in the video, Dawkins left out God's response to what happened in Judges 20.

God will always be wrong for Dawkins, I think.

Thomas

Most online atheists that I come across haven't read The God Delusion. Most atheists I meet in real life, hated the God Delusion. A lot of atheist philosophers think what he has written is rubbish.

I had high hopes for the book myself, but was left wanting. It did spawn a lot of good apologetic rebuttals and a few other atheists have followed suit, so it was useful, but I've still yet to read a reasonable argument as to why there is no God.

 

[Aussie Pete]

I'm pretty certain he does. Stalin trained as a Catholic priest, so he was really a believer... if you are Professor Dawkins

Adolph Hitler was supposedly believed. The only belief that Hitler had was in racial superiority based on evolution.

 

[DaisyDay]

Agreed on all.

But why do you think this is?

Why what is?

Atheism has become a religion.

Not to atheists, the ones I know.

I just don't understand why.

I think Christians believe its a religion because they can't imagine anyone without religion. Maybe - explain why you think atheism qualifies as a religion.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Atheism is in no way a religion. Those of us who are atheists acknowledge no leader, have no tenets, have no dogma, no nothing. That more and more think that this is a good way is a good thing, but that doesn't make it a religion.

On Reddit, in a sub-reddit for asking atheists questions, the overwhelming majority agreed both that religion should go away, but that it should not be legislated away. I imagine that Dawkins would agree, but as noted, he doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

I don't know what Reddit is.
But I do get the feeling that you're VERY against religion. We Christians call this faith and not religion.
So, IOW, we believe that you're against our FAITH in God.

So why do YOU believe "religion" should be abolished from the face of the earth?

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

I think Christians believe its a religion because they can't imagine anyone without religion. Maybe - explain why you think atheism qualifies as a religion.

Not really. They see all of the negative things about religion that Dawkins identifies and can see that they also apply to New Atheism, ergo New Atheism must be a religion.

It is more about making a point.

On the other hand there are now Atheist congregations that meet on Sundays, have uplifting music and fellowship and homily/teaching on how to be fulfilled as an atheist. So maybe we were right after all.

Also atheism is a worldview (or more specifically a blanket term for a number of worldviews). I know a lot of atheists who don't like that idea either, but if atheism dictates the way you view the world, then it is a worldview and it does, so it is!

 

[High Fidelity]

Perhaps Mr Dawkins would like to discuss the actions of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi, the Kim dynasty of North Korea, Ceaușescu and other atheist dictators.

Mr Dawkins will soon discover that he was wrong all along. Again I wonder how an atheist can attribute any qualities of any kind to a God they do not believe exists. He is famous, educated, erudite and well able to present an argument. However, his arguments are just as specious as any other atheist. They start with an unprovable assumption and go downhill from there. He sees what believers see and comes to the opposite conclusion.

The evidence for God is compelling - God deems it sufficient. People choose what to believe and what to disbelieve.

Having no religious affiliation is not what lead to the actions of those leaders.

Look at Catholic terrorists in Ireland that are still active today, albeit not planting bombs in public places lately.

What about the Catholic church systematically covering up for pedophiles?

Bombings of abortion clinics?

Neither theists or atheists have clean hands but any signs of blood isn't automatically an indictment of their beliefs or lack thereof.