RFID Chips

[GreenMunchkin]

I know there's an Eschatology forum, but I'd like to get all your thoughts on it, if that's ok.

Do you think it's the mark of the beast? Or do you think it could be?

Apologies for the poll

EDIT: and for the ":o" smiley. No clue how that happened.

 

[Tangeloper]

I know there's an Eschatology forum, but I'd like to get all your thoughts on it, if that's ok.

Do you think it's the mark of the beast? Or do you think it could be?

Apologies for the poll

EDIT: and for the ":o" smiley. No clue how that happened.

I definitely think the mark of the beast could be something that uses this type of technology. I don't think everything else is set up right now to make medical chips and such into a mark to buy and sell. I'm not saying this can't happen in the future, just that it's not likely to happen in the NEAR future. A few years though??? I don't know technology has a way of moving very quickly once in a while.

No matter what though - I'm staying away from those things... I really don't like the whole idea anyway of putting something like that under my skin.

 

[Sketcher]

The mark of the beast doesn't have to be a microchip. People were believing in it before the microchip was ever invented. I firmly believe that whatever the mark is, it will be obtained by worshiping said beast. Being as the beast will be all about very brazen blasphemies and idolatry, I don't think that anyone can receive this mark unintentionally, particularly Christians. The blasphemies and persecution will be so great, that whatever the mark is at the time will be blatantly obvious.

 

[Jim47]

I know there's an Eschatology forum, but I'd like to get all your thoughts on it, if that's ok.

Do you think it's the mark of the beast? Or do you think it could be?

Apologies for the poll

EDIT: and for the ":o" smiley. No clue how that happened.

WhatsanRFIDchip

No clue here, I'm old Ya know.

 

[Sketcher]

WhatsanRFIDchip

No clue here, I'm old Ya know.

A computer chip that gets put inside your body to track you. People are talking about putting everything you would have in your wallet on that chip and that includes credit/debit cards.

 

[ContentInHim]

I don't know so I definitely plan on not getting chipped.

I believe that those who worship the beast will be happy to be identified with him - and that won't be us. But for security reasons I don't want anyone knowing where I am.

 

[Nadiine]

A computer chip that gets put inside your body to track you. People are talking about putting everything you would have in your wallet on that chip and that includes credit/debit cards.

Jack Van Impe has dozens of news articles on "Digital Angel" - and the computer technology to track every person on the planet and keep full records of all their information and spending records.

Here's an article on Digital Angel & some words from a Christian about it (who supports the chipping).
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23232

Here's how I see it - it's innocent now, but it can and I believe WILL BE used by force eventually once the circumstance rises prophetically to need them implanted in everybody. I've seen this happen - some conflict happens which causes people to view & accept things they normally wouldn't have before the incident.

Things can start with good intention, it doesn't mean that someone else can't come up with identical technology and force it later.

But, for it to be "complying with the antichrist", I truly believe that you have to knowingly accept it when it's being forced. Not if someone right now got chipped when they aren't under the influence or in agreement w/ the antichrist who's in power then.

 

[Nadiine]

WhatsanRFIDchip

No clue here, I'm old Ya know.

Awe, poor Jim.
Here's a cane for you sweety. (secretly installs a chip inside it for tracking purposes)

 

[MrJim]

They sure would be handy (handy, get it? Chip on the hand being handy~I slay me )

Really though, that would be draw~and though it would happen somewhat slowly more and more would do it until it would become so ingrained in the world that it would serious discernment to notice it, and would we?

Just like SSN was considered the mark (though US limitations should have been a clue) a lot of things get poohed as over-reacting, so who really knows what the mark will be. It sure makes sense~I can remember those old movies about getting the mark (Thief in the Night, Distant Thunder), and the chip makes more sense than a tattoo thing.

BUT, doesn't the sense of the passage imply that it is visible, or maybe not.

Revelation 13: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[MrJim]

Rev13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

And consider the text-there are 3 options here:

1. Mark
2. Name
3. Number

More than meets the eye, you could have his mark, or his name, or his number...now what all could that imply?

 

[Gregged]

Other.

There was a recent discussion about this in the news forum : http://foru.ms/t5838321-microchips-in-humans-high-tech-helpers-or-big-brother-surveillance.html

This is going to be a visible mark (by Revelation's use of the Greek "charagma"), so it won't just be a chip but could be RFID ink.

However... I now don't believe that will be it. I think it's going to be a lot worse than just a RFID chip. I never really understood, until I heard some things recently, this verse :

Revelation 9:6 During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

How can death elude someone? Surely someone can just go up a cliff, or on a roof and jump, right?! Not if you are controlled through your mind, or you are physically unable to control all your actions through technology.

Forgetting about the mind control possibility for now, technology is there to control actions right now... Look at the plans to create moth spies with technology built in from the pupa stage - where moths can be controlled by remote joystick, fly into enemy territory and send back audio! This has already been done on other animals, so the technology is there.

So, RFID - probably not, at least not on it's own. Whatever you think it will be, I don't think we've seen anything yet!

 

[EternallyPierced]

I'm not sure if the chip in itself is the mark of the beast or if it's going to be synonymous with it. There are some people (including 1300 infants) who are already getting it now (see www.asdx.com, the makers of the chip). I think they will be tied together in the upcoming one world government. I think everyone will be required to get one eventually. The chip might be the mark or you may have to get a mark showing that you have the chip. Either the way the chip is bad news.

 

[Nadiine]

I'm not sure if the chip in itself is the mark of the beast or if it's going to be synonymous with it. There are some people (including 1300 infants) who are already getting it now (see www.asdx.com, the makers of the chip). I think they will be tied together in the upcoming one world government. I think everyone will be required to get one eventually. The chip might be the mark or you may have to get a mark showing that you have the chip. Either the way the chip is bad news.

I wont even get botox injections... like I want a permanent CHIP in me???

 

[Nadiine]

Other.

There was a recent discussion about this in the news forum : http://foru.ms/t5838321-microchips-in-humans-high-tech-helpers-or-big-brother-surveillance.html

This is going to be a visible mark (by Revelation's use of the Greek "charagma"), so it won't just be a chip but could be RFID ink.

However... I now don't believe that will be it. I think it's going to be a lot worse than just a RFID chip. I never really understood, until I heard some things recently, this verse :



How can death elude someone? Surely someone can just go up a cliff, or on a roof and jump, right?! Not if you are controlled through your mind, or you are physically unable to control all your actions through technology.

Forgetting about the mind control possibility for now, technology is there to control actions right now... Look at the plans to create moth spies with technology built in from the pupa stage - where moths can be controlled by remote joystick, fly into enemy territory and send back audio! This has already been done on other animals, so the technology is there.

So, RFID - probably not, at least not on it's own. Whatever you think it will be, I don't think we've seen anything yet!

WANTING TO COMMIT SUICIDE and actually being able to go thru w/ it are 2 different things tho imo.

I was in that predicament in a severe oppression I had back in 1997 where I actually got suicidal.
It's easy to WANT to die, it's another thing actually performing the murder of yourself.
It's a long process you have to work thru to be able to get the nerve up.

Some may do it easily, most don't tho. I think that's more the probability.
Even the people enduring genocide (Rawandans, Sudanese) aren't committing mass suicide - we just have a built in mechanism to cling to life or love our life IMHO.

 

[Gregged]

WANTING TO COMMIT SUICIDE and actually being able to go thru w/ it are 2 different things tho imo.

This is true of course, and I have been in that place myself some years ago... I think though that the world will be a very different place and that desire to die could well override the desire or "built in mechanism" to live. Even as in (unrelated) Jeremiah 8:1 "And death shall be chosen rather than life....".

Even the people enduring genocide (Rawandans, Sudanese) aren't committing mass suicide - we just have a built in mechanism to cling to life or love our life IMHO.

There have also been times in history where death has been chosen, for example Masada, or where Josephus and those running from the Romans made a suicide pact, where only Josephus survived! ...and other examples. And these people had families and things to probably live for... Not in times where the Bible describes when families will be against each other, even giving each other up for death.

Anyway, as with all these things, they are speculative until the time comes! What I believe though is that not all these technologies are researched and developed for entirely peaceful means, although they will be sold to people as such.

 

[Greenthumb]

I really have no idea and before I read this thread I didn't even know what was meant by an RFID chip was. :o Don't they put those things in dogs so you can find them if they get lost or stolen? Anyway...

MrJim makes an interesting point. There are 3 options in that verse. And if you had the chip...wouldn't it be with your information...at least to start? How would they possibly change it to make everyone have his mark, number or number of his name? It would seem to me that the process would have to have started already then, eh? Those things already in the current chips. Cause they are being used already, no?

 

[Gregged]

I really have no idea and before I read this thread I didn't even know what was meant by an RFID chip was. :o Don't they put those things in dogs so you can find them if they get lost or stolen? Anyway...

MrJim makes an interesting point. There are 3 options in that verse. And if you had the chip...wouldn't it be with your information...at least to start? How would they possibly change it to make everyone have his mark, number or number of his name? It would seem to me that the process would have to have started already then, eh? Those things already in the current chips. Cause they are being used already, no?

It's similar technology, yes... but now they can make these things the size of small powder grains!

The testing stage has already ended, I think. They're putting these things in patients, soldiers etc already.

For everyone to get it, it will be "sold" somehow as something we "need" to be good citizens, or keeping world peace... As with other schemes, it will probably be voluntary at first, but if you don't accept it, then well, you just won't be able to buy or sell!

 

[LivingLifeHisWay]

I think it is.

**EDIT: I misread the poll and voted under other when I should have voted I think it is. There is not edit button so I can't change it. Thx!

 

[ContentInHim]

Agreed that the idea will be sold to us as either a "good citizen" thing to do or a financial convenience.

Have you all seen the TV commercial where the donut shop is moving right along, all customers paying with a Pass&Go and along comes someone wanting to pay with a charge card or a check or even CASH! The disapproval of the poor schmoo who only wants to pay for his donut and coffee is palpable!

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I'm not sure what's there at the moment is the actual mark, but I think it's a pre-cursor.

It's a way for the governments to keep track of us; they'll eventually store all of our details, from blood type to NI Number, to credit cards so we won't be able to travel or purchase stuff without one - that fulfills a Biblical prophesy.

Also, they've already had cases of peoples' chips causing burns and sores - that's another Biblical prophesy.

This is an article by the guy who had a hand in inventing them.