RFID chip

[shye]

YouTube - DIY RFID Chip Implant


what are your thoughts? is this ethical?

 

[FedererFan]

It doesn't surprise me, considering how technology is going. I don't see anything unethical about it and I'm sure eventually some company will take it up. They just need to make sure it's VERY secure before people start using it.

I wonder how long it will be until someone claims this is Revelation's mark of the beast.

 

[Ectezus]

what are your thoughts? is this ethical?

Pff implant... It isn't even wired to his own body. Just a simple chip under his skin. Big deal, we do it all the time with dogs and such.
Besides, how is this less weird than a pace-maker. That one actually does something inside your body, the rfid chip does not.

As for the utility of such a rfid chip, it could be highly useful if made 100% secure. Say bye bye to passports, paper money, credit cards, etc... It will all become electronic.

- Ectezus

 

[Protocol11]

Pff implant... It isn't even wired to his own body. Just a simple chip under his skin. Big deal, we do it all the time with dogs and such.
Besides, how is this less weird than a pace-maker. That one actually does something inside your body, the rfid chip does not.

So we should have a problem when we're tagged like dogs and cats?

A pace-maker keeps your heart going, pretty important stuff. What vital function does the verichip serve, other than allowing other to spy on you?

As for the utility of such a rfid chip, it could be highly useful if made 100% secure. Say bye bye to passports, paper money, credit cards, etc... It will all become electronic.

When dealing with computers, there is no such thing as "100% secure". Anyone who thinks so, doesn't know much about computers.

 

[Ectezus]

So we should have a problem when we're tagged like dogs and cats?

What does this have to do with anything? Either it's useful or it's not. We've already found use for it, it's only a matter of time before we start using it.

A pace-maker keeps your heart going, pretty important stuff. What vital function does the verichip serve, other than allowing other to spy on you?

Spy? Paranoid much lately?
The whole point was that a pace-maker is also technology that's inside people's bodies and it's much more direct than a simple chip under your skin.
They have completely different uses, one augments an existing body function, the other brings new utility.

When dealing with computers, there is no such thing as "100% secure". Anyone who thinks so, doesn't know much about computers.

Why thank you Nostradamus, for that insightful glimpse into the future.
Current RFID's suck afaik, however since they aren't networked and have a small range the potential for a 'hacker' to spend days decoding a firewall is much less.

- Ectezus

 

[Chesterton]

Dialogue I wish I'd heard:

Cavuto: I'm sure there are a lot of people watching that think you're nuts.

Mikey: Well, RFID is already a big part of our lives...

Cavuto: No, Mikey, I'm talking about the mullet.
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[mpok1519]

its unethical if its forced upon you by law.

 

[yasic]

its unethical if its forced upon you by law.

Is it unethical for us all to have a mandatory social security number by law?

Is it unethical that we all must have a birth certificate?

Is it unethical that we must have our houses registered by the government?

Is it unethical that we must have a drivers license with complete photo in order to operate machinery?


I would gladly welcome mandatory chips if they can become much more secure as a technology.

 

[trunks2k]

other than allowing other to spy on you?

I'm curious as to how an RFID chip is going to be used to spy on you. Without a huge network of sensors, it's not much use to be used for spying. The issue is with security, and prevent others from getting info from your tag to use it to access information. An appropriate encryption and password system could go a very far way in preventing that.

But as I always say when it comes to RFID chips, if you're worried about being tracked, it's likely that you are already carrying around something that can be used to spy on you pretty easily - your cell phone. Given the right hardware on the your provider's network, you can be located and all that is required is that your phone is on. Currently it's just for E-911 use, but it can be used for other stuff.

 

[trunks2k]

Is it unethical for us all to have a mandatory social security number by law?

There's no law saying you have to have a SSN.

 

[yasic]

There's no law saying you have to have a SSN.

I do believe that it is a law that anybody born within the US must get a social security number along with the birth certificate...

And if you wish to live in the US as a permanent resident (and later become a citizen) you are required to get a social security number.


So while there may not be a law per say that says you have to have a social security number, you cannot end up legally living within the US without getting one when you move in.

 

[mpok1519]

the govt putting machinery into your body for purposes of surveillence and tracking?

thats creepy; of course its unethical.

its NOTHING like having a driver's liscense. A driver's liscense cannot track your position 24/7.

autonomous privacy is an important thing. The RFID jeopardizes autonomous privacy.

 

[Protocol11]

What does this have to do with anything? Either it's useful or it's not. We've already found use for it, it's only a matter of time before we start using it.

I think the fact that we aren't cattle and shouldn't allow ourselves to be treated as such has a lot to do with it.

Spy? Paranoid much lately?

Those who think this technology wouldn't be used to spy on us at some point are naive and have little understanding of this technology or how government's work.

The whole point was that a pace-maker is also technology that's inside people's bodies and it's much more direct than a simple chip under your skin.

One that provides a vital function and doesn't serve to allow people to spy on you. Big diff.

They have completely different uses, one augments an existing body function, the other brings new utility.

And the ability for people to spy on you without your knowledge without serving any vital function. No thanks.

Why thank you Nostradamus, for that insightful glimpse into the future.

It doesn't take a mind reader to know that no technology will remain unhackable forever.

Current RFID's suck afaik, however since they aren't networked and have a small range the potential for a 'hacker' to spend days decoding a firewall is much less.

There are people out there more than willing to spend that time decoding a firewall given the information that will be on these things. The more useful they become, the more personal information they will store. They can be read from a distance, security programs can be hacked, and then someone has access to your private data, and possibly your financial records.

And that's not even mentioning the government will already have access to all this already without having to hack anything, and most likely with very little oversight and protections.

Is it unethical for us all to have a mandatory social security number by law?

Is it unethical that we all must have a birth certificate?

Neither of these are invasive.

Is it unethical that we must have our houses registered by the government?

My house isn't registered by the government. At least AFAIK.

I would gladly welcome mandatory chips if they can become much more secure as a technology.

I would never get one, and I would happily end the lives of anyone who tried to force me into getting one, or punish me for not having one.

That you would welcome mandatory chips shows that you have nothing but contempt for personal freedoms and privacy.

I'm curious as to how an RFID chip is going to be used to spy on you. Without a huge network of sensors, it's not much use to be used for spying. The issue is with security, and prevent others from getting info from your tag to use it to access information. An appropriate encryption and password system could go a very far way in preventing that.

One day, there might be a vast array of sensors. They could attach them to traffic lights, traffic cameras, city cameras, security camers, ect.

And an encryption system would help, but none of them are 100% secure.

But as I always say when it comes to RFID chips, if you're worried about being tracked, it's likely that you are already carrying around something that can be used to spy on you pretty easily - your cell phone. Given the right hardware on the your provider's network, you can be located and all that is required is that your phone is on. Currently it's just for E-911 use, but it can be used for other stuff.

I don't own a cell phone.

 

[Ectezus]

and I would happily end the lives of anyone who tried to force me into getting one, or punish me for not having one.

You're a little creepy aren't you?

It's funny how one person makes a comment about it being forced by the government (while the video isn't about that AT ALL) and then all of a sudden people get paranoid about it. Oh and Sanctient, 13 posts and 7400 blessings sounds like a smurf to me.

Ps: Are you 3 all from America by any chance?

 

[Protocol11]

You're a little creepy aren't you?

No, I just believe in defending myself from tyranny. As a jew, I've tried to learn the lessons of the Holocaust and the dangers of big government.

It's funny how one person makes a comment about it being forced by the government (while the video isn't about that AT ALL) and then all of a sudden people get paranoid about it. Oh and Sanctient, 13 posts and 7400 blessings sounds like a smurf to me.

I'm not paranoid, I'm just clearly stating my intent to never get one these, and defend myself from those who would hurt me because of that choice, with extreme prejudice.

Ps: Are you 3 all from America by any chance?

I am.

 

[Protocol11]

I'm starting a strong hold of my own in the US; highly fortified with all the room for religious people to stay without having to worry about the beast. The reason I cam here is for help and support.

If I can get funding and other leaders to help me, I can get people clearly safe from the things to come... with God's grace only though...

I have technology to sustain us in space, but I think it will take too long to launch a space station. Who knows though... If I get help, I will push for it.

...okey dokey...

 

[Gishin]

Where's my tinfoil hat...

 

[PsychMJC]

Where's my tinfoil hat...

With this one I think a tinfoil helmet is required.

 

[Uncle Tommy]

I think if people want to put chips under their skin. More power to them. If it were ever to become legislated, I would be a criminal.

 

[Ectezus]

It doesn't matter if the movie was a complete hoax or not. The truth is, it is being used to motivate people to take action.

It doesn't matter if the source that's used to motivate people is actually wrong?
Oh ok. If you say so.

/me steals some tinfoil Gishin