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Searching_for_Christ

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8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders(A) fell down before the Lamb,(B) each holding a harp, and(C) golden bowls full of incense,(D) which are the prayers of the saints.


Hello so I was hoping that a bunch of you could possible discuss what this verse means to you? I know that most Apostolic Churches will use this verse as a fairly key verse in regards to the intercession of the saints and such, so I was hoping I could get as many various responses about this verse as possible?
 

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If you do not take scripture in the context in which it was written you can make random verses say anything you like. Especially random verses in revelations. If you look at Rev 5 as a whole It speaks to the authority, and power of the Lamb. He is the only one who is worthy to take the "deed" of creation from the one who sits upon the throne.

Verse 8 simply shows (The kings of this world as it were) the eldership represented in the living creatures, and in the 24 elders themselves yielding to the authority of one greater than their collective presents. the items they possessed reinforced their status as chiefs amongst their tribes/kinds. (If you read the OT and research the items, only the most righteous were able to possess those items in this capacity.)

One can make verse 8 say all sorts of things if one were inclined. Don't get me wrong I'm sure there is more to be understood about verse 8 than what I wrote, but it must be taken in context, and not as a standalone verse.
 
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8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders(A) fell down before the Lamb,(B) each holding a harp, and(C) golden bowls full of incense,(D) which are the prayers of the saints.


Hello so I was hoping that a bunch of you could possible discuss what this verse means to you? I know that most Apostolic Churches will use this verse as a fairly key verse in regards to the intercession of the saints and such, so I was hoping I could get as many various responses about this verse as possible?

I can read in this verse (which is enough):

1. Jesus is NOW on the throne.
2. There are beings, humans and angels, in the Heaven to praise Him, worship Him and serve Him, NOW.
3. Your prayer DOES get to Him NOW in a detectable form (odor, as the verse says). That means your prayer does not vanish in vain.
 
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