rev. 7:4

[ihavezippersyahoo]

I am working my way slowly through Revelations for the umpteenth time, but 7:4 bothered me this time around and I need some clarification from more seasoned Bible thumpers than myself. Does this mean that only 144,000 people in the end days will be saved?

That seems pretty low given the millions of self-proclaimed Christians that currently walk the earth.

Are these 144k the very same who bare God's mark on their forehead in the following chapters, or do they actually enter heaven immediately?

Thanks in advance

 

[LilLamb219]

Revelations is a very symbolic book...the number is not an exact count of those who will be saved...so fear not!

 

[Lisa0315]

I am working my way slowly through Revelations for the umpteenth time, but 7:4 bothered me this time around and I need some clarification from more seasoned Bible thumpers than myself. Does this mean that only 144,000 people in the end days will be saved?

That seems pretty low given the millions of self-proclaimed Christians that currently walk the earth.

Are these 144k the very same who bare God's mark on their forehead in the following chapters, or do they actually enter heaven immediately?

Thanks in advance

I am not gifted in understanding prophecy, but here is what I believe this means.

The world's population will be cut by 1/3 on either two or three occasions. I cannot remember which. The 144,000 are Jews that will be saved when the antichrist defiles the temple and they suddenly realize that he is NOT their Messiah.

In a later chapter in Revelations, it says that a number that cannot be counted will be saved. This is among the remaining world population but also could include additional Jews. Now, the largest number in the Bible is 200 million so we know it has to be at least that many people. I hope I am remembering this right.

What concerns me are those who may believe that they will get saved during this period. They do not consider that 1/3 and then another 1/3 of the world's population will die and possibly another 1/3. This also does not include the people who will die when the rapture occurs. You know the whole planes, trains and automobile thing where people disappear right from the driver's seat.

Now, that last part is only if you believe in a pre-trib rapture and many if not most Christians do not. I happen to be a pre-tribber but I allow for the fact that I very well could be wrong.

Lisa

 

[martymonster]

I am working my way slowly through Revelations for the umpteenth time, but 7:4 bothered me this time around and I need some clarification from more seasoned Bible thumpers than myself. Does this mean that only 144,000 people in the end days will be saved?

That seems pretty low given the millions of self-proclaimed Christians that currently walk the earth.

Are these 144k the very same who bare God's mark on their forehead in the following chapters, or do they actually enter heaven immediately?

Thanks in advance

I think this should help you find the answer you seek.

http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/144000.php

You should really take the time to read this!

 

[Benoni]

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

God speaks thought His Word in many hidden and ways the below verse speaks of parable; but I will also add spiritual or scriptural numbers, mysteries (Gk) Sacred secrets, used 27 times in NT) patterns, types, different languages, even deceptions to hide His word from the religious, the , wise, the carnal; and reveal it to babes. A babe is not the same as someone who can handle the milk of the word, anyone can handle milk; but a babe is like my small grandchildren when I speak to them; they trust everything I say, they have ears to hear.

I will add I always love the symbolism of the manchild in Revelation; man/masculine speaks of spirit, as well as mature because a man is a full grown mature person; but this man has that child perception; which most people lose as they grow and mature,

Matthew 13 :13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.' 16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;



Twelve speaks of Divine Government; a few examples; 12 Tribes, 12 Disciples, 12 Gates of Jerusalem,

144 (12x12=144) 12 is the perfect number, representing Devine perfection in the government in the kingdom of God

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Twelve speaks of Divine Government; a few examples; 12 Tribes, 12 Disciples, 12 Gates of Jerusalem,

144 (12x12=144) 12 is the perfect number, representing Devine perfection in the government in the kingdom of God

Interesting post. Ephesian and Reve 21 come to mind:

Ephesian 3:17 To dwell the Christ thru the Faith in the hearts of ye in Love, having been rooted and having been founded, 18 That ye should be being strong to be grasping/apprehending together to all the Saints what the breadth/platoV <4114> and length/mhkoV <3372> and height/uyoV <5311> and depth/baqoV <899> ,
19 To know the transcending of the knowledge love of the Christ , that ye may be being filled into all filling of the God

Reve 21:15 And the one talking with me had measure reed, golden, that he should be measuring the City and the gates of Her and the wall of Her
16 And the City four cornered is-lying, and the length/mhkoV <3372> of Her as much as, and the breadth/platoV <4114>. And he measures the City to the reed on stadia twelve thousands the length/mhkoV <3372> and the breath/platoV <4114> and the height/uyoV <5311> of Her equals is
17 And he measures the wall of Her, hundred forty four of cubits, measure of a Man, which is of a Messenger.

 

[Benoni]

01 Unity [Ephesians 4:4-6, John 10:30, Exodus 6:3, 1 John 5:7] United, undivided, un-fragmented, note beginning of source, there is no division in one, harmony, singleness

02 Witness [Matthew 18:13] union, division, duality

03 Divine Completeness [John 14:6, 2 Kings 4:18-35]

04 Witness to the World [Genesis 2:10 (4 Rivers), Revelation 7:1], creation, earth

05 Grace/God's Blessing [5 burnt offerings -sin, trespass, meat, burnt, peace]

06 Number of Man [Created 6th day, Revelation 13:8 number of man, Exodus 24:15-18], weakness of man, old Adam, Flesh

07 Completeness [Genesis 7:2, 7 Spirits of God, 7 churches, 7 days of creation]

08 New Beginnings [David 8th son, Jesus is 888 in Greek Numeric, Genesis 17:2], new birth, circumcised on eight day

09 Measure of Spirituality [9 Gifts of Spirit, 9 Beatitudes, 9 Fruits of the Spirit]

10 Personal Testing [Romans 8:38, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Exodus 12:3, Revelation 2:10], trial, testing, tithes

11 Confusion [Genesis 9:20, 10:15-18, 11 Disciples] Judgment, disorder

12 Divine Government [12 Tribes, 12 Disciples, 12 Gates of Jerusalem, Revelation 14]

13 Rebellion [13 things of Mark 7:21, 1 Kings 7:1] beastly nature

14 Generations [42nd Generation (3x14) sons of God Matthew 1:17, Lamb slain 14th day

15 Rest [Leviticus 23:34-35, Esther 9:20]

16 Love [1 Corinthians 13 love is used 16 times]

17 Victory [Joseph released from prison after 17 years, Jacob 17 years in Egypt

18 Bondage [Judges 3:14, Luke 13:16, Jesus from age 12-30 takes to conquer the flesh

19 Faith [19 men of faith in Hebrews 11]

20 Redemption [Exodus 30:12-14, Genesis 31:38-41, Numbers 14:26-35]

21 Bondage

24 Priesthood

30 Maturity [Jesus and David were 30 when their work began] Passover, salvation, blood of Christ Outer court

40 Group Testing [40 years in the Wilderness, 40 days Jesus tempted] Trail, probation, chastisement

50 Jubilee, Pentecost [Leviticus 23, Numbers 29, Leviticus 25. Acts 2]

60 Feast of Pentecost
The Elect, the Children of Promise [Genesis 21:5, 26:12]

120 divinely appointed period 3x40= 120

144 (12x12=144) 12 is the perfect number, representing Devine perfection in the government in the kingdom of God
Deliverance


300, Noah's Ark 300 cubits long, Gideon’s 300 men, 300 pieces of silver Benjamin He also gave Benjamin 300 pieces of silver. 300 means "perfect wholeness." Jesus gives us "perfect wholeness" when we come to where He is. He gives us a sound mind (the mind of Christ!) and a sound, loving heart that loves with His Love. This is a gift. Remember the alabaster box that the woman brought full of precious spikenard to anoint Jesus for burial? Judas rebuked her for spending all that money. He called it a waste and said it could have been sold for more than 300 pence. It was the price of "perfect wholeness."
There is another 300 in Noah’s Ark. The dimensions of the ark were 300x50x30 and that means complete deliverance for the mature. 30 is the number that signifies maturity. If you recall, Jesus could not minister as a priest until He was 30. That is the age of maturity, of eligibility to the priesthood. So — He gave to his Benjamin Company 300 pieces of silver — complete deliverance for the mature.
In King Solomn’s record there is another interesting 300. He had 300 shields, which is complete deliverance from war — complete deliverance from the war that rages within us — flesh against spirit, spirit against the flesh; the carnal mind against the spiritual mind. He gives us complete deliverance from war!
When the second generation was preparing to go into the Promised Land, Joshua said that they had to remain in the wilderness until — was it until all the older, faithless generation had died? I used to think it said that. But it doesn’t. It says, "when all the men of war have died." Have you been a man of war? If so, that man of war must die before you can possess this new realm of spirit. You can’t take him in with you!
Another well-known "300" was Gideon’s small remnant army which brought complete deliverance for the whole nation! Benjamin is given the inheritance of the heathen because Joseph is in the midst and rules over all that sense realm.
To his father was sent "ten asses laden with the good things of Egypt, and ten she asses laden with corn and bread and meat for his father by the way." All of these: corn — the Word; bread — the Bread of Life; meat — the strong meat of the Word, did Joseph give unto his family to strengthen them to rise into a new place in Godwhere they would be able to behold the face of their Joseph, and beholding Him, be changed into His likeness. O, glory to God!

600 Warfare

666 fullness of man

1000 Devine completeness

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To his father was sent "ten asses laden with the good things of Egypt, and ten she asses laden with corn and bread and meat for his father by the way."

Great post Benomi!!!!

I saved it to a folder to study on it. Interesting you mentioned "10 asses" as that is used in the description of the "denari" which is shown in reve 6:6. [Coincidentally "6 6"]
Reps to you!!!

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Reve 6:6 And I hear as a-sound in midst of the four living-ones, saying: "choinex of grain of Denarius and three choinex of barleys of Denarius and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

1220. denarion day-nar'-ee-on of Latin origin; a denarius (or ten asses):--pence, penny(-worth).
AV - penny 9, pence 5, pennyworth 2; 16 denarius = "containing ten"
1) A Roman silver coin in NT time. It took its name from it being equal to ten "asses", a number after 217 B.C. increased to sixteen (about 3.898 grams or .1375 oz.). It was the principal silver coin of the Roman empire. From the parable of the labourers in the vineyard, it would seem that a denarius was then the ordinary pay for a day's wages. (Mt. 20:2-13)

 

[Benoni]

God's Word becomes so awesome when these secrets are revealed. By the way check out the Book of Mormon; their numbers are just numbers; no pattern, no symbolism; just good old earthy, human numbers.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

God's Word becomes so awesome when these secrets are revealed. By the way check out the Book of Mormon; their numbers are just numbers; no pattern, no symbolism; just good old earthy, human numbers.

Umm, thanks but no thanks.

 

[Benoni]

Understood

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[plmarquette]

144,000 Virgin male, Jews, called and anointed (Nazrite or 5-fold ministers) to be end time evangelists to the 12 tribes of Israel ... has nothing to do with the total # of people in heaven, people who will be saved (Genesis to Revelation) ... a false doctrine started by William Taze Russell ...