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Rev 12:1 A Crown of Twelve Stars

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JeffreyLloyd

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That's fine, and I will stay out of it, I was just asking some questions. And FWIW, Pope John Paul II made the connection between Mary and Rev 12 in Evangelium Vitae:



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Hmm, well my Jerusalem Study Bible, my American Standard Study Bible and my Douay Rhiems Study Bible must all be wrong, as well as this Bible study bookelt published by the Leaflet Missal Company with both imprimatur and Nihil Obstat printed in it that was used when my mon's church did a study on Revelation 20 years ago. Oh well, there you have it. 20 (or 15years ago in the case of my Jerusalem Study Bible) years ago it was wrong to say the woman in Revelation 12 was Mary, but now the pope has decided that it is acceptable afterall. Does that mean my Bibles are now out of date and should be discarded?
 
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Thanks for the info Jeff!

My request for a a private discussion has nothing to do with not wanting RC input but rather, i just dont want to get shut down, it seems good convorsations get closed before they can run their due coarse especially when RC doctrine is involved.
 
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It is my understanding that there are a great many RC's scattered all over the world, and especially in the US, that have petitioned the pope to officially and infallibly declare Mary "queen of heaven". The last I heard, their petition had over 3 million names!

I have also read where the pope, while giving a speech to young people in Denver, proclaimed that he was asking Mary to protect them. Not Jesus. Not God! But Mary alone. And, after he was shot, the pope proclaimed officially and infallibly that Mary had saved his life. Based on that and other official, infallible declarations (including the one posted earlier in this thread), that he follows Mary quite seriously.

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And, after he was shot, the pope proclaimed officially and infallibly that Mary had saved his life.
I hate to butt in, but the pope cannot proclaim that infallibly, its not a dogma that Mary protected him when he was shot. He would never have the right to and has never proclaimed that infallibly. Its just not possible.
 
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JeffreyLloyd said:
That's fine, and I will stay out of it, I was just asking some questions. And FWIW, Pope John Paul II made the connection between Mary and Rev 12 in Evangelium Vitae:
Cheers!
nevermind
 
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ps139 said:
I hate to butt in, but the pope cannot proclaim that infallibly, its not a dogma that Mary protected him when he was shot. He would never have the right to and has never proclaimed that infallibly. Its just not possible.
What you say is true, but really guys, try to refrain from posting in this thread so it does not deteriorate into a us against you thread.
 
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I'm going to bow out of this now because the thread has become moot. If Pope John Paul has recently declared that Mary IS the woman in Revelation 12, then that's that. Of course, she isn't, but there is no point in discussing where Catholics got the idea that she is, if it has been found that the pope now says she is, dispite 2000 years of teaching to the contrary.

It beats me, though, how something can be church teaching for 2000 years, and then all of a sudden, the church does a 180 on the subject. Does that mean that all thinking on the subject prior to the pope's declaration was in error, or that they didn't interpret scripture correctly until now? Why don't catholics question things like this? I know that if I were in a church where something that was previously taught as false suddenly became true, I would question that, not just idlely accept it.
 
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Okay, for 2004 years, it was taught by Christians of all faiths, including Baptists and the church that pre-existed the reformation, that the woman in Revelation was NOT Mary, but now the leader of one Christian denomination has reversed that and has declared that it is indeed Mary, even though all their writings on the subject prior to that most emphatically state that it is not.

How does that affect your own belief on the identity of the woman? Has anyone in B/A forum changed their mind about the identity of this woman based on the declaration of the leader of the other denomination?
 
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ps139 said:
Perhaps you should notice the mod hat message and not keep discussing Rome.
I believe I asked a question about how people in the B/A forum are affected by the declaration of the pope, and that is not against the rules, nor is it a violation of the mod warning, which asked us to keep the discussion to what B/A's think about the subject.
 
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And what is the subject?
The Baptist interpretation of Rev 12:1? or what the Catholics believe?

RED that's ME said:
MOD HAT ON

This thread has become derailed. The OP started this thread for Baptists to discuss what the Baptists believe not what another faith believes. This needs to get back to the original intent.


MOD HAT OFF
 
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