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lazyservantofYahweh · Feb 2, 2020

Aramaic was not spoken by the people, only by a select few of "Hezekiah's" (HizqiyYâ´huw) servants in 2 Kings chapter 18. The people spoke Hebrew. And if Aramaic was a popular street language during Yahuwshua's time, why would they use Hebrew on the sign posted over Yahuwshua at the cross? Wouldn't Pontus Pilate want the masses to understand what was written? There should not even be a question as to which language was spoken by the ancient "israelites"

lazyservantofYahweh · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
Ruach haKodesh, The set apart spirit or the spirit of YHWH, Hell is actually a non existent term in The Word, there is Sheol, the abode of the dead, wrongly translated to hades, and Gehenna the lake of fire, wrongly translated to Hell. Names like how you put the W in with Yahshua, dont make a difference tho, bc the purpose of the name is the exact meanings of the name, and pronunciation and Yahshua means YHWHs Salvation, its actually fun to go thru the "old testament" and everytime you see the word Salvation you can PROPERLY, say Yahshua or Yahuwshua, (same exact meaning) in place of everywhere you read Salvation.. which is awesome haha but I would suggest no more internet research! Get you a cpl physical translations with names in tact, and start studying from there, He showed me to not do any internet research, bc the flesh fights the spirit, and the spirit fights the flesh, internet is a tool of the flesh, and not good for the spirit.

There is not another one, neither is there another name among men given by Yahweh by which we are delivered (summarizing Acts 4:12). So neither a false name, nor a different Yahuwshua would be able to rescue us. The "W" was in Yahuwshua's name as being the same One predicted in "Zechariah" (ZhkarYahu), as the Branch of Righteousness. Moreover, Yahu/Yahuw is the shortened preterit/jussive form of Yahweh, but "yah" is an incomplete rendition of this, and therefore a false name and substitution. They are not the exact meaning, close does not count. The internet is a tool, like other platforms of media. It can give some the opportunity to access the information they need to acknowledge that Yahuwshua is Yahweh!

seedbandit · Feb 2, 2020

lazyservantofYahweh said:
Aramaic was not spoken by the people, only by a select few of "Hezekiah's" (HizqiyYâ´huw) servants in 2 Kings chapter 18. The people spoke Hebrew. And if Aramaic was a popular street language during Yahuwshua's time, why would they use Hebrew on the sign posted over Yahuwshua at the cross? Wouldn't Pontus Pilate want the masses to understand what was written? There should not even be a question as to which language was spoken by the ancient "israelites"

The masses understood Hebrew and aramaic, very closely related languages in all ways. Syriac was the native tongue of syria, two territories were called Syria, one to the east and one to the west of euphrates, the capital of syria west of Euphrates was Damascus in 2 samuel 8:6 "the Syrains of damascus" are mentioned...before the ten tribes were carried captive into Assyria, Dr.grant suggest this tended to actually change the language of the 10 tribes from Hebrew to Syriac... also a manuscript of the 4 gospels in Syriac, bearing the date of 78 A.D is mentioned by J.S Asseman in his Bibliotheca. We know both languages were present.

lazyservantofYahweh · Feb 2, 2020

And yet still, Aramaic was not important enough to have been written on a sign by Pontus Pilate about Yahuwshua who was hanged (and rose).

seedbandit · Feb 2, 2020

lazyservantofYahweh said:
And yet still, Aramaic was not important enough to have been written on a sign by Pontus Pilate about Yahuwshua who was hanged (and rose).

Arrogance...the whole Renewed Covenant was originally written in Aramaic bruh. The complete Aramaic peshitta New testament was discovered in 1954, it pre dates the greek by nearly 200 years, the Aramaic holds primacy, Rabbis spoke Hebrew in synagogues and they are same ones who demanded the Messiahs death, dont surprise me at all that it was written in Hebrew.
When the aramaic peshitta was discovered it was taken to the white house the head priest/ (or whatever type of religious leader of the white house he was), said it will be extremely exciting to read The New Testament in The very LANGUAGE CHRIST SPOKE.. and btw I got filled with the Ruach haKodesh thru the name of Jesus, His Grace is that awesome!, He knew I worshipped The Only Father of Abraham but Ruach haKodesh started teaching me many many things, including the correct names, correct and only true doctrine, not to look on internet for information to do with the spiritual, the list goes on for days of stuff im not capable of learning on my own, truly awesome, thats why I recommended to no longer look to internet and LET the Ruach haKodesh be your teacher, its most satisfying to person with a big spiritual appetite. Stay up my brother! and continue on the path of truth you have started on!, look to The Word and the Holy Spirit aka Spirit of YHWH to show you the path. If you havent been immersed by The Ruach haKodesh yet, make that your big goal for right now, bc its AMAZING if you havent been yet, and if you want it, youll get it and physically feel it bigtime! IME.
Thanks for sharing these names with everyone brother! "HALLOWED BE THY NAME" everybody..haha

lazyservantofYahweh · Feb 2, 2020

How do you have reverence for the name of Sovereign Yahweh Yahuwshua, if you accept false names for Him? This is more important than the language questions.

seedbandit · Feb 2, 2020

lazyservantofYahweh said:
How do you have reverence for the name of Sovereign Yahweh Yahuwshua, if you accept false names for Him? This is more important than the language questions.

Im all about the real names, but He who is ignorant of the true Names and who truly reaches out to know The Elohim of Abraham will be given that awesome grace, The Father aint like ope you didnt say my name, even tho you never heard it before, so Im not answering...Just as you now know the Names and correct Titles it is being taught to everyone by Him not by us, and He does everything in Due time brother as He is now, but it woupd be a false teaching to say He wont hear a person Ignorant of the true names, bc I know thats not true at all, its a blessing to know the real names, for sure.

Albion · Feb 2, 2020

lazyservantofYahweh said:
Where does the term "God" come from? Wouldn't it make more sense to profess His actual name, Yahweh, and the name of the Son, Yahuwshua?

More sense than...what? We are not under the impression that the Almighty's given name is "God."

ViaCrucis · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
I personally use Elohim, it does not actually translate to God, Ill use God to people who thats all they know, but El means Power...Elohim could be said to mean The Most High Power or He that is The Power over powers.

Elohim is simply the plural form of Eloah. The stem is el, which means "mighty". Both of these words are used in reference to both the gods of the nations, and to the God of Israel. In reference to the God of Israel Elohim, the plural form, is used very frequently in the Old Testament to refer to God.

"God" is an English word, cognate with other Germanic languages such as German Gott. It possibly stems ultimately from the PIE (Proto Indo European) ghut "that which is invoked" (god | Origin and meaning of god by Online Etymology Dictionary)

In English "God" is the word used to translate the Hebrew Eloah/Elohim/El; it also used to translate the Greek Theos and the Latin Deus, both of which are also the words used in those respective languages to translate Eloah/Elohim.

There's no benefit to using a Hebrew word to refer to God than one from your own native tongue, which if it's English would be "God".

Hebrew isn't some sort of special magical language, it's just the language most of the Old Testament was written in.

-CryptoLutheran

seedbandit · Feb 2, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Elohim is simply the plural form of Eloah. The stem is el, which means "mighty". Both of these words are used in reference to both the gods of the nations, and to the God of Israel. In reference to the God of Israel Elohim, the plural form, is used very frequently in the Old Testament to refer to God.

"God" is an English word, cognate with other Germanic languages such as German Gott. It possibly stems ultimately from the PIE (Proto Indo European) ghut "that which is invoked" (god | Origin and meaning of god by Online Etymology Dictionary)

In English "God" is the word used to translate the Hebrew Eloah/Elohim/El; it also used to translate the Greek Theos and the Latin Deus, both of which are also the words used in those respective languages to translate Eloah/Elohim.

There's no benefit to using a Hebrew word to refer to God than one from your own native tongue, which if it's English would be "God".

Hebrew isn't some sort of special magical language, it's just the language most of the Old Testament was written in.

-CryptoLutheran

I prefer El, Eloha, Elohim, it appeals to my soul more, Gawd is a ancient Babylonian deity tho, but it has been understood for along time now, as in the same since Elohim or little e elohim is used, so I dont have a Problem with God being used, I would prefer it to read The Most High God, it would be more accurate, but thats what the Big G is for, for me I can easily say Elohim and easily understand it, and its more original, so I by far prefer it in prayers and etc personally.

ViaCrucis · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
Gawd is a ancient Babylonian deity tho

Even if true, it's completely irrelevant and has no relation to the English word God. And, to be perfectly frank, I suspect that no, there was no ancient Babylonian deity named "Gawd". I don't suppose you can provide sources to back that up can you? And by sources I mean actual ancient Babylonian sources--inscriptions, texts, myths, etc.

-CryptoLutheran

seedbandit · Feb 2, 2020

The substitution of the word Lord is the Worst! For it in NO way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, above all, the direct personal bearing on the Name on the revelation of God is kept injuriously out of our sight....restoration of the name Yahweh is necessary, because its suppression was a mistake....and my bad Gawd or English God is a Assyrian deity, and is Repudiated YHWH in Isaiah 65:11 which reads "But ye are they that forsake Yahweh, that forget my Holy mountain, and furnish a table for God, and furnish a drink offering to meni" so no wonder ppl in Scotland and parts of northern England celebrate "Hogmanay" which in hebrew means feast of the god Meni, on new years eve with a fellowship drink for good luck.

ViaCrucis · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
it pre dates the greek by nearly 200 years,

Well, no. For one, the Peshitta isn't the oldest Aramaic (Syriac) translations of the Scriptures we have, the Old Syriac texts, such as the 5th century Curetonian Gospels are representative of the oldest Syriac translations.

Our earliest Greek manuscripts which we have in our possession date from the 2nd century, such as John Rylands P52, a fragment from the Gospel of John dated to between 125 and 175 AD.

Our two oldest fully extent copies of the Peshitta are the Khabouris Codex (10th century) and the Yonan Codex (7th+ century).

No, the Syriac or other Aramaic versions of the New Testament do not predate the Greek by "nearly 200 years", that's just objectively false information that is easily dismissed by even the most cursory look into the subject.

Aramaic primacy is pseudo-scholarship.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
The substitution of the word Lord is the Worst!

Feel free to blame the Jewish scribes then. They're the ones who established that tradition. The Apostles and the early Church simply continued in that tradition.

-CryptoLutheran

seedbandit · Feb 2, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Feel free to blame the Jewish scribes then. They're the ones who established that tradition. The Apostles and the early Church simply continued in that tradition.

-CryptoLutheran

All the original names are used in the Aramaic Peshitta, even youll see YHWH Y'shua smashed together in the Translation which is really cool.

ViaCrucis · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
The substitution of the word Lord is the Worst! For it in NO way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, above all, the direct personal bearing on the Name on the revelation of God is kept injuriously out of our sight....restoration of the name Yahweh is necessary, because its suppression was a mistake....and my bad Gawd or English God is a Assyrian deity, and is Repudiated YHWH in Isaiah 65:11 which reads "But ye are they that forsake Yahweh, that forget my Holy mountain, and furnish a table for God, and furnish a drink offering to meni" so no wonder ppl in Scotland and parts of northern England celebrate "Hogmanay" which in hebrew means feast of the god Meni, on new years eve with a fellowship drink for good luck.

Gad was a pan-Semitic deity.

Gad (deity) - Wikipedia

No relationship with the English word "God".

-CryptoLutheran

seedbandit · Feb 2, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Gad was a pan-Semitic deity.

Gad (deity) - Wikipedia

No relationship with the English word "God".

-CryptoLutheran

The words God (English) and Gad (Hebrew) are pronounced exactly the same way: “Gawd”

ViaCrucis · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
All the original names are used in the Aramaic Peshitta, even youll see YHWH Y'shua smashed together in the Translation which is really cool.

Don't suppose you'd be willing to show the use of the Tetragrammaton in the Peshitta would you?

For example, in Matthew 1:20 the Peshitta mentions the ܡܠܐܟܐ ܕܡܪܝܐ (malaka d'mara), or "angel of the lord". And this is what one will find, the use of mar(a) or "lord". My source is here: Peshitta New Testament

And what do we find in the Peshitta's translation of the Old Testament? Well the very first use of the Tetragrammaton is found in Genesis 2:4, we find:

ܗܵܠܹܝܢ ܬܵܘ̈ܠܕ݂ܵܬܼܵܐ ܕܲܫܡܲܝܵܐ ܘܕܲܐܪܥܵܐ ܟܲܕ݂ ܐܸܬܼܒܿܪܝܼܘ: ܒܝܵܘܡܵܐ ܕܲܥ̣ܒܲܕ݂ ܡܵܪܝܵܐ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ ܫܡܲܝܵܐ ܘܐܲܪܥܵܐ.

It's that word ܡܵܪܝܵܐ mara again, which I've underlined and bolded above.

Feel free to look it up yourself: Aramaic Old Testament (39 books) - Aramaic Peshitta Tanakh : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

-CryptoLutheran

Isilwen · Feb 2, 2020

I will go ahead and stick with God and Jesus as I speak only English, well, a little Italian and a little Spanish as well, but my native tongue is English and we say God and Jesus.

ViaCrucis · Feb 2, 2020

seedbandit said:
The words God (English) and Gad (Hebrew) are pronounced exactly the same way: “Gawd”

And? Do you also think that horse and hoarse mean the same thing?

-CryptoLutheran

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