Resurrection

[Xeno.of.athens]

When a priest buries a person what do you think goes into the ground and what do you think the resurrection is?

 

[AlexB23]

When a priest buries a person what do you think goes into the ground and what do you think the resurrection is?

Alright, give me a few minutes. Plugged this into Mistral 7B (a locally run AI on my laptop). The AI is hooked up to thousands of pages of Christian documents, and it will use the Catholic documents to formulate a response.

For myself, I think the person's body goes into the ground, and the soul goes to heaven. At the last judgement, our bodies will rematerialize, and become incorruptible. We will have to see what the AI says.

 

[RandyPNW]

When a priest buries a person what do you think goes into the ground and what do you think the resurrection is?

The body obviously goes into the ground. Upon death, the person's spirit leaves the body.

If the person is a Christian, he or she will go to be with the Lord as a bodiless spirit, awaiting the gift of an immortal body, fit for the presence of the Lord. If the person does not love or want Christ, he or she will go to a place separate from God's close intimate presence, to receive a body later fit for an eternity of repetitive lifeless service, perhaps very much like the present world.

It is called "Outer Darkness," but will likely provide a living environment a grade below life in the presence of Christ. That will be their punishment. And that will be the reward for those who love and want Christ--a resurrection constituted by elements designed to exist in God's close intimate presence.

The old body disintegrates. The resurrection body consists of something new.

The ungodly will receive grades of punishment, likely indicated by grades of separation from Christ's blessings. They will not be punished as by a literal fire or torture instruments, since that is ungodly.

Rather, the fire they experience merely expresses their eternal separation from the current material world and from the world to come. It will be an eternal fire of separation, like vegetation turns to ash and never returns. We need not know more....

 

[GentleGospeller]

When a priest buries a person what do you think goes into the ground and what do you think the resurrection is?

Job_20:11 His bones are full of the sin of his youth, which shall lie down with him in the dust.​

The whole deceaed being, "bones" "with" "him". The dead soul sleeps in the grave until their resurrection.

Job 14:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?​

Job 14:11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:​

Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.​

Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!​

Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.​

Job 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.​

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Example, David:

Act_13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:​

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Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.​

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Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,​

 

[AlexB23]

@Xeno.of.athens here is the AI's response:


From a Catholic perspective, when a priest buries a person, it's believed that their physical body is placed in the ground. The soul of the deceased departs to an interim state known as Purgatory (for those who died with Venial sins) or directly to Heaven or Hell based on one's life on earth.


The resurrection, according to Catholic teaching, refers to a future event when Christ will return and all people will be raised from the dead. The bodies of believers in Jesus Christ will be transformed into glorified bodies, which are imperishable and immortal. This belief is rooted in the Christian scriptures, such as John 5:28-29, where it states that "the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good to rise to live, and those who have done evil to rise to condemnation."


It's important to note that the interim state of souls (Purgatory) and the resurrection of bodies is a belief held by many Christians within the Catholic tradition. The Orthodox Church also acknowledges the existence of Purgatory, although it may use different terminology for this concept. Protestant denominations vary in their beliefs regarding these topics, with some recognizing Purgatory as an interim state and others not adhering to this belief.

I have no idea why the AI used John Calvin as a source, but I downloaded that to the AI a while ago, so it can be well rounded, or if I ever had to debate a Calvinist:

 

[d taylor]

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The Missing Resurrection – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[BobRyan]

When a priest buries a person what do you think goes into the ground and what do you think the resurrection is?

The body returns to the dust and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Eccl 12:
7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

John 11:
10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”
12 Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.” 13 However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.
14 Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.

1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Clare73]

When a priest buries a person what do you think goes into the ground and

I think Jesus gave a pretty good answer to that question in Lk 16:19-31, in the rich man and Lazarus.
The mortal body goes into the ground, while the spirit goes either to Abraham's bosom (Paradise) or to Hades.

what do you think the resurrection is?

What 1 Co says it is. . .the raising of our former mortal, sinful, dishonorable bodies to immortal, sinless, glorified bodies like the body of Jesus at his resurrection.

 

[eleos1954]

When a priest buries a person what do you think goes into the ground and what do you think the resurrection is?

The totality of that person becomes non existent .... we are not immortal in any way ... we don't become immortal until Jesus returns. All will be resurrected one day by Jesus .... that is why death is described as a dormant sleep. When Jesus returns and the first resurrection happens He will restore each person (in their totality-less sin) ... the final restoration for eternity. The 2nd resurrection that happens later ... will be resurrected mortal (will experience the 2nd death) and after the 1,000 years (that is spent in heaven) those in the 2nd resurrection be totally destroyed for eternity (cease to exist for eternity)

Its about eternal life or eternal death. We aren't supposed to be confused about it. The 2nd death is for eternity. There isn't a burning place for eternity somewhere.

 

[Clare73]

The totality of that person becomes non existent .... we are not immortal in any way ...

Not according to Jesus in Lk 16:22-24. (where their immortal spirits did not die).

 

[Bob Crowley]

I've long claimed the night my father died he appeared in my room. We talked and argued and at the end he gave this terrifying scream.

It was obvious something was coming for him and it scared him out of his wits.

Now assuming that was a real event, his spirit was in my bedroom while his body was lying dead in a room several miles away. His body wasn't found for another four days and it was the smell of decomposition which alerted a young bloke in the flat directly above.

The body disintegrates.

His spirit, if that is what it was, was a bit like smoke - I could focus on him, or see through him. I still remember being able to look through him and see an old chipboard bookcase behind him. On the other hand I could focus on him and it was clearly him. Even the sound of his voice was familiar.

I suppose you might say he was "ghost like".

The body just disintegrates, and I don't know if the body itself is actually resurrected. A lof of people won't have bodies in full or in part - the cremated, those vaporised or torn apart in explosions, those drowned in the sea with the fish scattering their remains, those who die in the wilderness and are scavenged, victims of aircraft crashes, or those who died so long ago that very little is left. For every mummy in a pyramid there would thousands of unknown workers and slaves of whom nothing remains.

I think our resurrected bodies will be a gift from God who remembers what we looked like, knows every detail about us and so on. I suppose He'll use our eternal spirit as a template.

Since my father was talking, seeing, hearing and thinking then it was obvious he still had his mind, even though his brain was dead. So we will take that with us. I don't know what happens to those with damaged minds - dementia for example. I assume that will evaporate like a bad dream and the victim will find their mind whole again. And that is how they will answer for their words, thoughts and actions - when they were still fully cognitive.

For those condemned to Hell, I don't think they get a resurrected body. They won't be able to do anything with them, and I have a suspicion they finally end up as not much more than a spiritual head with a tail, which I also believe is how demons spend much of their time.

The prime demonic interest is thinking (they seek the "untruth" however you define that) and since they don't make or need anything material, then I don't know why God would bother giving them anthopromorphic features.

We'll all find out eventually, one way or another.

 

[Dan Perez]

I think Jesus gave a pretty good answer to that question in Lk 16:19-31, in the rich man and Lazarus.
The mortal body goes into the ground, while the spirit goes either to Abraham's bosom (Paradise) or to Hades.

What 1 Co says it is. . .the raising of our former mortal, sinful, dishonorable bodies to immortal, sinless, glorified bodies like the body of Jesus at his resurrection.

Luke 16:22nnnis a good start .

# 1 This is where those under the Law MOSES went .

# 2 In verse 22 , after death , he was BURIED .

# 3 He awake in HADES , HELL ''

# 4 That was was his SOUL

# 5 His SPIRIT when BACK to God that gave it , ECCL 12:7 .

# 6 And in verse 24 his TONGUE was in TORMENTED in this Flame , means could still have feelings .

# ! But to those saved by the GRACE OF GOD , Eph 2:8 their BODIES go too the GRAVE .

# 2 There spirit stays with them , 1 Cor 5:5 , read carefully .

# 3 And their SOUL goes to PARADISE , and read 2 Cor 12:4 was the apostle Paul taken to the THIRD HEAVEN .

Remember that no ONE has gone up to heaven as written in JOHN 3:13 That no man HATH ASCENDED up to Heaven , but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of MAN which is in heaven .

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Luke 16:22nnnis a good start .

# 1 This is where those under the Law MOSES went .

# 2 In verse 22 , after death , he was BURIED .

# 3 He awake in HADES , HELL ''

# 4 That was was his SOUL

# 5 His SPIRIT when BACK to God that gave it , ECCL 12:7 .

# 6 And in verse 24 his TONGUE was in TORMENTED in this Flame , means could still have feelings .

# ! But to those saved by the GRACE OF GOD , Eph 2:8 their BODIES go too the GRAVE .

# 2 There spirit stays with them , 1 Cor 5:5 , read carefully .

# 3 And their SOUL goes to PARADISE , and read 2 Cor 12:4 was the apostle Paul taken to the THIRD HEAVEN .

Remember that no ONE has gone up to heaven as written in JOHN 3:13 That no man HATH ASCENDED up to Heaven , but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of MAN which is in heaven .

dan p

I forgot to say when all believers SAVED BY GRACE are resurrected and there are several verses ,

Here is one in 1 Thess 4 :17 and says , Will be CAUGHT AWAY // HARPAZO is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE

and in the PLURAL , in other words all believers will be taken away ,

Then in 2 Thess 2:1 it is the Greek word COMING // PAROUSIA , are gathering together unto him .

Then in 2 Thess 2: 3 the Greek word is DEPARTURE // AOSTASIA should happen first , and the MAN OF SIN should be

revealed , the son of destruction and that is why I am a PER- MILLINNIAL .

And here is another one in Gal 1:4 So that he might RESCUE // EXAIREO is in the SUBJUNCTIVE MOOD , meaning it could

happen at any time .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

Luke 16:22nnnis a good start .
# 1 This is where those under the Law MOSES went .
# 2 In verse 22 , after death , he was BURIED .
# 3 He awake in HADES , HELL ''
# 4 That was was his SOUL
# 5 His SPIRIT when BACK to God that gave it , ECCL 12:7 .
# 6 And in verse 24 his TONGUE was in TORMENTED in this Flame , means could still have feelings .
# ! But to those saved by the GRACE OF GOD , Eph 2:8 their BODIES go too the GRAVE .
# 2 There spirit stays with them , 1 Cor 5:5 , read carefully .
# 3 And their SOUL goes to PARADISE , and read 2 Cor 12:4 was the apostle Paul taken to the THIRD HEAVEN

Remember that no ONE has gone up to heaven as written in JOHN 3:13 That no man HATH ASCENDED up to Heaven , but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of MAN which is in heaven .

Paul did not say his body had ascended up to heaven.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Paul did not say his body had ascended up to heaven.

Christ ascended to heaven. Everyone else will need help to get there. They are assumed into heaven.

 

[Dan Perez]

Paul did not say his body had ascended up to heaven.

In 2 COR 12:3 Paul says he knows such a man , whether in the body or outside the body , I don't know , God knows , but that he was caught away into PARADISE and will IF I remember to do a word for word study .

dan p