Resident Critic

[Blessed-one]

The extrovert recharge by letting everything out without consideration that people don't want to hear it. For other extroverts, thats ok as long as they get their turn...but they usually find it easier to do it on introverts because we're the ones always listening.

oh, you mean talking our shares? right
for a moment i thought you meant that extroverts can't think before they speak!

Theres a couple of extreme extroverts that somehow want me to be their best friend, though I dislike it,...I tried hard but..yeh, it's hard for me to like them except the fact their my brothers and sisters in Christ.

opposite attracts. My mum once commented that most of my best friends are extroverts. well, they are more open than me in terms of many things, but now that i get to think more, i think they're just like Bev said, on the middle road. But it's true i guess, for example, my parents themselves. So it depends on how much of a mix of introvert and extrovert you are.

It is said that extroverts can't understand introverts, but introverts can understand extroverts inside out easily.....hmmmm.......

yeah, not necessarily though, it may take extroverts more time to understand the others.

An awareness for introverts Jim? You know ... I don't really know if I know an introvert. Everyone here just seems the same! And, I don't really think you are an introvert. You don't sound like one at all. Where did you get the idea from that you are an introvert?

yeah, it's hard to tell on the forums for most people, but you can still pick out the extreme ones.

 

[Icystwolf]

oh, you mean talking our shares? right
for a moment i thought you meant that extroverts can't think before they speak!

They don't...lol
I know of a person that makes words up or uses complicated words that he doesn't understand the meaning of...ie not thinking. And often he tells me something or types something, then he says..."forget I said that"! and when you talk to him, he uses "Forexample" into 5+ levels...so it's like "Forexample the internet uses this which forexample means that you can do this, that is forexample ...."

I'm drained after the 2nd forexample. And after which I tell him, explain the 2nd forexample...and he can't remember. So he tells me to forget what he said....GREAT!

opposite attracts. My mum once commented that most of my best friends are extroverts. well, they are more open than me in terms of many things, but now that i get to think more, i think they're just like Bev said, on the middle road. But it's true i guess, for example, my parents themselves. So it depends on how much of a mix of introvert and extrovert you are.

I don't think you can be a mix... if you're an introvert then you'd know your an introvert. Some characteristics is shyness, which extroverts also exibit...but does not dictate to this behaviour.

I've always refered introverts, ie people like myself, to be a special type of race of people. This includes some academics, a highschool female friend...
I'll ask them if they're introverts.

yeah, not necessarily though, it may take extroverts more time to understand the others.

I've tried educating an extreme extrovert to meditate...trust me, he never listens and he just suck it out of me...which now explains somethings, like, I was trying to convert him to become an introvert...and now I realise that it's born that way...

yeah, it's hard to tell on the forums for most people, but you can still pick out the extreme ones.

I can tell the difference, based on how each word is constructed and placed into a sentence. But not too sure, I'm talking in the introvert forum, to the normal person that looks normal....but it's hard to tell from just plain text...body language does come into it as well.

 

[lullalullaby]

If you took a look at my responses of when I called art of war and idiot, did you take a look at what he was saying?

I'm still hurt by what both Padey and Art-of-war and their intolerance to groups by placing comments that can an enormous effect.

In terms of Uniting church, I'm talking with a couple of people who's uniting church did not follow the mainflow of movement.

Their ignorance and arrogrance is clearly intolerable, and I'm surprised you didn't pick that up, just as much as most people...because they only focus on the basic layer of the problem.

Its like telling a person who is depressed to get over it, as opposed to looking deeper, and giving them comfort for the incident that triggered their depression.

I wish I could have avoided that term, and I still regret using the word "idiot"...but I had no choice but to voice my anger over the intolerance of their ignorant and arrogant opinion towards the general people in public.

Their intolerance over groups that are a minority, is damaging to the Christian faith that grace goes to all people. It's exactly how some groups whether different races to cultures get treated, because of the lack of understanding and respect based on ignorant behaviour of some people that make up ludicrus garbage into some truth for people to believe and hate others for it....

myself too, don't like intolerance over groups that are a minority. so I understand where you are comming from. But trying to disscuse/argue over that type of stuff on the internet doesn't really do much, usually cause of selective reading by the other person which is what I sometimes do too when I come across discussions showing intolerance over groups that are a minority. LOL

acutally from the posts i've seen from u that are not hillsong related, you seem like a pretty nice person yeah just take it easy Jim

 

[Bevlina]

Believe me Lull, Jim IS a lovely person. When I first joined this forum, Jim hopped into me in no uncertain terms because I liked the music of Hillsong. I was staggered! So, I told him in no uncertain terms that I was old enough to make up my own mind. Then, we exchanged pm's, and we became the best of friends.
Remember that Jim? It was so funny! I think he thought I was a teenager!

 

[padey]

I'm still hurt by what both Padey and Art-of-war and their intolerance to groups by placing comments that can an enormous effect.

In terms of Uniting church, I'm talking with a couple of people who's uniting church did not follow the mainflow of movement.

Icy, you're right, i am intolerant of homosexuality within the church, as Paul was!

Intolerance and tolerance are relative terms. What i tolerate, is not what others tolerate.


In Paul’s day, some Christians and nearly all Hellenists tolerated sexual relations out of wedlock. Paul did not, and handed down his household code in Ephesians. The Ephesians could have said Paul was intolerant and anti-cultural, but truth couldn’t be sacrificed for tolerance. The same is applied to Truth Vs Tolerance with homosexuality in the church in Corinthians.



Truth is not relative, so let’s not replace truth with tolerance. Or are we now tolerating doctrinal heresies?

padey

 

[Icystwolf]

Icy, you're right, i am intolerant of homosexuality within the church, as Paul was!

Intolerance and tolerance are relative terms. What i tolerate, is not what others tolerate.

First of all, that is out of context of what I was talking about.

I had never agreed that homosexuality in church was ok, and this was not the case, and if you read my posts yoiu'd find that I did talk about the Uniting church.

I do not support Gene Robinson nor do I support the uniting churches that support gay priests. I am very much against them.


It's kinda obvious, that after so much trouble in expressing your indecent views that you now put the blame on me. I have my reputation held firm in this forum to know quite well what I stand for in terms of homosexuality... your statement to blow me off won't work, because that is not what I said.

You're intolerance was based on your attitude on the Uniting church when you said "They had a little gay action happening" or somewhere along those lines...

Thats intolerance!

 

[Blessed-one]

hey, was the homosexuality issue brought up because of your post about the AOG statement, Icy?

checking back the thread, you said homosexuality is not a choice but you did not elaborate further. Don't confuse intolerance with ignorance. Your statement was vague enough to generate a certain type of response. I didn't get the meaning either till you explained more.

 

[Icystwolf]

hey, was the homosexuality issue brought up because of your post about the AOG statement, Icy?

Probably...

checking back the thread, you said homosexuality is not a choice but you did not elaborate further. Don't confuse intolerance with ignorance. Your statement was vague enough to generate a certain type of response. I didn't get the meaning either till you explained more.

Homosexuality is not a choice, was never a choice...

The context of Homosexuality and Choice. For ignorant Christians who believe that for those people who believe that homosexuality is not a choice hence support homosexuality...then you haven't got the doctrine right.

It's not a threat to our salvation, nor does it change any doctrine unless you have a faulty one.

My statement was not vague, if people had the correct doctrine, they would understand that fully. I made it clear what I stood for, that was that Homosexuality is not a choice. But the illogical assumption that some blow-artists made is placing the connection from a person who does not think homosexuality is a choice, to becoming some sort of Heretic....

Art of War, said the Bible said that Homosexuality is a choice....till now he hasn't given me any quotes.

Paul and Sodom....I've read those, and no they don't say Homosexuality is a choice, they only condem homosexuality!

 

[artofwar]

Art of War, said the Bible said that Homosexuality is a choice....till now he hasn't given me any quotes

where did I say this?
it says Homo sexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God , it also includes Idolitry and fornicators which is actually ALL A CHOICE .

 

[Blessed-one]

Paul and Sodom....I've read those, and no they don't say Homosexuality is a choice, they only condem homosexuality!

it says Homo sexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God , it also includes Idolitry and fornicators which is actually ALL A CHOICE .

i think you two are talking about two different things here, and i understand artofwar perfectly, whereas you are the one whose meaning is unclear, Icy.
Look at the getting drunk part (hence leads to debaunchery), it is definitely not a good thing from what the bible says. (can't use this example to compare with the gene part, but just with the bit on 'choice')

it's useless when it's clear to you and unclear to others since you're the one who's supposed to explain your position.

 

[Bevlina]

I'm lost!
We've gone from our resident critic to introverts & extroverts, to intolerance, to homosexuality. Struth it's hard being a post war boom baby at times...*mumble* *mumble*

 

[artofwar]

Just keeping ya on your toes Bev haha

 

[Bevlina]

I can see that art. I've never read so much in so little time trying to see what's going on!

 

[lullalullaby]

boooo

 

[Hevenly_angel]

I don't see how homosexuality can't be a choice. The bible would not condemn anything if there was never a choice in doing it in the first place.

 

[Icystwolf]

I don't see how homosexuality can't be a choice. The bible would not condemn anything if there was never a choice in doing it in the first place.

Ok, this is proper Theology, we're all born into Sin thanks to "Adam"...

Christ came down and gave us salvation.

Our Choice is to either Choose Christ and forget our sinful lives...or to continue our sinful lives and reject Christ as the ruler.

Either case, whether homosexuality is a choice or not, everyone is born into sin. Homosexuality is sinful, just as much as people lie and people steal...etc...we're all born sinful. Homosexuaity is not a mortal sin...

The only reason why most Christians can't percieve this, is because of Post Modernism, where they believe everyone is born good and has a little good in everyone. This is not the Biblical view, everyone is born sinful.

Currently the truth is, everyone who is gay in the community did not choose to be gay...
I find it sad that Christians choose to blame the gay persons rather than satan for ruining their lives.

 

[padey]

Ok, this is proper Theology, we're all born into Sin thanks to "Adam"...

Christ came down and gave us salvation.

Our Choice is to either Choose Christ and forget our sinful lives...or to continue our sinful lives and reject Christ as the ruler.

Either case, whether homosexuality is a choice or not, everyone is born into sin. Homosexuality is sinful, just as much as people lie and people steal...etc...we're all born sinful. Homosexuaity is not a mortal sin...

The only reason why most Christians can't percieve this, is because of Post Modernism, where they believe everyone is born good and has a little good in everyone. This is not the Biblical view, everyone is born sinful.

Currently the truth is, everyone who is gay in the community did not choose to be gay...
I find it sad that Christians choose to blame the gay persons rather than satan for ruining their lives.

This is a joke, right?



As someone who has spent years studying New Testament theology, I find your position poor and weak at best.



Do you even know what postmodernity is? It has nothing to do with “people thinking people have a little good in them”!



Can you name one recent published theologian that supports your points of view on homosexuality and postmodernity?

 

[Bevlina]

I have to disagree of the homesexuality issue. Some do choose to be homosexuals because they have found sadness in their married life with one of the opposite sex.
This is when homosexuality is completely despicable.

Jim?....I thought it was because of Eve we were born into sin?

 

[Icystwolf]

Postmodernism is about thinking everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe... which is where it leads to a lot of my friends, esspecially Buddhist to believe in post modernism and they tell me it's about good coming from people. Whether or not that is exactly what it means, I'm open to suggestions to change it to the proper meaning.


My argument...
If it's weak prove it.

You can make a claim, but you need to pull it apart and prove me wrong.

You've made two claims, 1, you study the new testament, 2 my claim was weak.

Proofs...none!

Again, I don't care where you come from, as long as you can prove it...I have no problems.
So far, you've proved nothing...which shows you've failed in proving you do some sort of study.
Leads me to believe were you're studing at!

 

[Bevlina]

Eh? You talking to me Jim?
Have we gone onto the subject of postmodernism now?