Researchers’ Stunning Claim About Noah’s Ark.

[AV1611VET]

If the Noah's Ark myth was true shouldn't we see some sort of physical evidence of it?

I don't believe in a "Noah's Ark myth."

 

[AV1611VET]

If he wants to say he believes in something he should be ready to defend that belief.

Against what? ridicule?

As another poster put it:

You don't even know how to ask the questions right.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

OldWiseGuy, who, like you, believes that the passage should be read literally, claims that the Ark was not a boat, it was a building, that is, a barn. KTS is confused. He never heard that claim before. He was not, at least not in that question, saying the Ark wasn't built; he was saying that he never heard anyone make the claim that OldWiseGuy was making.

Good point. Many arguments are based on a mental picture that cannot be changed, thus what is literally presented is lost. For example deniers have the mental image of a great tsunami washing everything away. The flood actually came in like the tide, very slowly. Even science makes this mistake. They have proven that their notion of the flood never occurred, but will not consider a flood as actually described in Genesis.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Good point. Many arguments are based on a mental picture that cannot be changed, thus what is literally presented is lost. For example deniers have the mental image of a great tsunami washing everything away. The flood actually came in like the tide, very slowly. Even science makes this mistake. They have proven that their notion of the flood never occurred, but will not consider a flood as actually described in Genesis.

No, that flood would still leave behind evidence not seen in reality.

 

[AV1611VET]

Pyramid, stating your beliefs here and nothing else isn't going to be considered contributing to the conversation, because your icon pretty much already says that. The point of the debate is to defend the positions, not just state them. I am sorry, but you gotta add a little more.

I disagree.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I disagree.

With the whole thing, or a certain part?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Just because the ark wasn't technically a ship doesn't mean it wouldn't have the same problems as a wooden ship. In fact, given that it wasn't a ship design apparently, it might have more issues than a ship would.

Large ships are made for commercial shipping, thus they are designed to carry cargo profitably, be able to travel at speed and navigate. The ark had no such requirements and design imperatives. All it had to do was float. Noah also had unlimited resources and 120 years or so to complete the project successfully. I'm sure he solved any problems that might have arisen.

 

[AV1611VET]

With the whole thing, or a certain part?

The second sentence.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The second sentence.

Really, do I need to post the definition of a debate?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, that flood would still leave behind evidence not seen in reality.

There is ample evidence of the flood. Science just doesn't recognize it as such. As the floodwater receded it would break into thousands of 'local floods', of which there is ample evidence worldwide. What science is looking for is a uniform 'bathtub' ring' in the geological record. The flood didn't leave one. Which of course means that that piece of evidence isn't available for either side. But we're ok with that, there's plenty of local evidence.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Large ships are made for commercial shipping, thus they are designed to carry cargo profitably, be able to travel at speed and navigate. The ark had no such requirements and design imperatives. All it had to do was float. Noah also had unlimited resources and 120 years or so to complete the project successfully. I'm sure he solved any problems that might have arisen.

Noah also had little to no ship building experience prior to that point, and just because floating was the only objective doesn't mean that the design would have worked.

 

[FuzzyBunnySlippers]

No it didn't. It showed that an Ark would float even if it had up to two million sheep size animals on it. That is a far cry from saying that it would work.

The article showed the ark would float as an ark. But that doesn't mean the article showed the ark would work as an ark.
Yep, it's Monday.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The article showed the ark would float as an ark. But that doesn't mean the article showed the ark would work as an ark.
Yep, it's Monday.

It showed it would float, but it didn't prove it would float for the year it had to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The article showed the ark would float as an ark. But that doesn't mean the article showed the ark would work as an ark.
Yep, it's Monday.

Yes, the Ark would have floated.


That clearly does not mean it would have worked.

What do you think would have happened with the first storm that came up?

The Ark would have failed. The Ark would have split and sank in the first series of waves that hit it.

Yep, it is Monday. Some people can't reason yet.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, the Ark would have floated.


That clearly does not mean it would have worked.

What do you think would have happened with the first storm that came up?

The Ark would have failed. The Ark would have split and sank in the first series of waves that hit it.

Yep, it is Monday. Some people can't reason yet.

Even if there weren't any waves, a year strait in the water would have warped the wood, causing it to leek.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Noah also had little to no ship building experience prior to that point, and just because floating was the only objective doesn't mean that the design would have worked.

It's Bob, not Bill.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's Bob, not Bill.

I don't know why you are saying that, wooden structures don't do so good in constant contact with water.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Noah also had little to no ship building experience prior to that point, and just because floating was the only objective doesn't mean that the design would have worked.

According to the story it worked just fine. Noah would have had the help of all the experts in region with the final design and construction. He didn't build it himself. He was the 'general contractor' of the job. Until the age of steel wood was the primary material for large structures, and there would have been much knowledge about it. I can visualize Noah discussing watertight joinery with experts in shipbuilding. I have experience working with wooden sailboats, and if Noah asked me how to make a strong watertight wooden joint, without the limitations of 'ship' design I would jump at the chance. We used to sink our boats so that they would float.

 

[AV1611VET]

What do you think would have happened with the first storm that came up?

I can see the Ark hitting a ten quintillion megaton mine and setting it off.

Noah: Did you hear something?
Wife: Probably just an elephant.

 

[TLK Valentine]

According to the story it worked just fine. Noah would have had the help of all the experts in region with the final design and construction.

His sons?

Until the age of steel wood was the primary material for large structures, and there would have been much knowledge about it.

There's much knowledge about it today as well -- including its limitations.

I can visualize Noah discussing watertight joinery with experts in shipbuilding.

Well, three cheers for imagination.

I have experience working with wooden sailboats, and if Noah asked me how to make a strong watertight wooden joint, without the limitations of 'ship' design I would jump at the chance. We used to sink our boats so that they would float.

I suspect "sinking" wasn't the goal here.