reqs for catholics

[ebia]

The financial part does bother me though.

Why?

 

[strikerchris0411]

Why?

I don't believe being required to give money to a church, is any better than giving it to a charity or a homeless person. While you may disagree, you can notice that Some Roman Catholic churches are of high quality, which requires lots of money which means it is high maintenance. Therefore, how do I not know that my money is not going to keep the building strong?

 

[strikerchris0411]

“We call this food Eucharist; and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration, and is thereby iving as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucahristic prayer set down by Him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, is both the flesh and blood of that incarnated Christ.” (Justin the Martyr, Apology to Antoninus Pius, inter. A.D. 148-155)​

There are many others who believe this, but they are still not allowed to take the eucharist in the Catholic church?
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Why shouldn't Protestant's be allowed to do it? For one thing, they can't because only a validly ordained priest is able to confect the sacrament, and as a general rule there aren't any Protestant denominations that have maintained valid Holy Orders. The other reason I already gave: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died " (1 Cor. 11:27-30)

I am not protestant though. But how can the church decide what taking the eucharist in a orderly manner is?

 

[ebia]

I don't believe being required to give money to a church, is any better than giving it to a charity or a homeless person. While you may disagree, you can notice that Some Roman Catholic churches are of high quality, which requires lots of money which means it is high maintenance. Therefore, how do I not know that my money is not going to keep the building strong?

No church can operate without money from its members, particularly one with full-time clergy to pay. AFAIK the RCC doesn't demand any particular level of giving from its members.

How open RCC parishes are about where the money goes I couldn't say, and that would be a fair question.

 

[ebia]

There are many others who believe this, but they are still not allowed to take the eucharist in the Catholic church?

Correct.

I am not protestant though. But how can the church decide what taking the eucharist in a orderly manner is?

The RCC (and E Orthodox) have very particular rules about who may join them in recieving the eucharist. This is not really the correct forum to debate whether or not their rules are good or bad, or why they are what they are. If you want to debate that you should take it to a more appropriate place.

 

[hairettic]

Now I know why everyone made such a big deal out of me taking communion. I came from a non christian family but attended a Catholic School. I never attended mass or anything other than school initiated ones. Father Ceno let me partake, but all the kids made such a stink about it. I was still scratching my head. I just wanted to know God. I do not think I took it in an unworthy fashion. Innocence is bliss. Thank God he sees our heart.
I can honestly say it is almost taken too lightly in Protestant circles.

 

[chilehed]

I am not protestant though. But how can the church decide what taking the eucharist in a orderly manner is?

The church is a mystery; it is both a spiritual community and a visible society, the spotless Bride of Christ and the assembly of we who are all too spotted and yet who are gathered to God through Jesus. Jesus established his Bride, the church, with a visible teaching authority to whose teachings and discipline all his children are bound to honor and submit, as we are bound to honor and submit to our earthly parents.

In short, the church can decide because Jesus gave it the authority and the obligation to do so: "He who hears you, hears me."

“We call this food Eucharist;..."(Justin the Martyr, Apology to Antoninus Pius, inter. A.D. 148-155)

There are many others who believe this, but they are still not allowed to take the eucharist in the Catholic church?

Yes. It has to do with the fact that by receiving the Eucharist one is stating (among other things) that one is in communion with the ecclesiastical community in union with the legitimate teaching authority under the sucessor of St. Peter. If one in fact rejects the legitimate teaching hierarchy that Jesus established for the church, one speaks a lie in receiving the sacrament. To receive the Body and Precious Blood of Christ while speaking a lie, is to profane our Lord; I think you can understand why the church would want to protect people from doing that.

Beyond that I think it would take me a while to formulate an elegant way to explain it.

 

[chilehed]

Now I know why everyone made such a big deal out of me taking communion....Thank God he sees our heart...

Thank God indeed!

 

[strikerchris0411]

The church is a mystery; it is both a spiritual community and a visible society, the spotless Bride of Christ and the assembly of we who are all too spotted and yet who are gathered to God through Jesus. Jesus established his Bride, the church, with a visible teaching authority to whose teachings and discipline all his children are bound to honor and submit, as we are bound to honor and submit to our earthly parents.

In short, the church can decide because Jesus gave it the authority and the obligation to do so: "He who hears you, hears me."


Yes. It has to do with the fact that by receiving the Eucharist one is stating (among other things) that one is in communion with the ecclesiastical community in union with the legitimate teaching authority under the sucessor of St. Peter. If one in fact rejects the legitimate teaching hierarchy that Jesus established for the church, one speaks a lie in receiving the sacrament. To receive the Body and Precious Blood of Christ while speaking a lie, is to profane our Lord; I think you can understand why the church would want to protect people from doing that.

Beyond that I think it would take me a while to formulate an elegant way to explain it.

Lol, I don't know what I am gonna do.


Thank you all for your help, I appreciated it greatly!