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I think your missing the point. Republicans making these ridiculous comments make Romney and Ryan look bad regardless of Romney or Ryan's stance on these issues.
I am not sure that a political forum in the middle of election season is a good place to be looking for healing from the emotional horror of those who have been sexually abused, especially when approached from the point of view of how awful Republicans are.
It is something that Democrats have been able to exploit quite effectively though as an integral part of their campaign, and good for them, I guess.
I can only hope that the victims of sexual abuse somehow find healing.
As for myself, I will have to bow out of a discussion that is going the way that it has. Bulls and china shops make a poor mix.
Biden says things he should not say all the time....as dumb as that comment was...it pales in comparison to the rape comments made by republicans.
I am considering Johnson as well. I do however generally support Obamacare which Johnson opposes. Either way...I think he might actually be a better choice than Obama or Romney.
"Jeffwhosoever" conveniently fails to mention that:Made by ONE Republican, who Romney said he disagreed with. One who isn't, unlike Biden, running for President or Vice President of the United States.
Sean,
I appreciate your accepting my invitation to comment on this thread. We need the "third party" perspective.
No problem! Explaining my third party politics and the approach of the Libertarian party may be a bit off topic, but I felt that it was important to explain that approach and belief system, so the posters understand where i'm coming from.
Of course the Democrats are using the comments, but these statements about rape are real. They can be read in context on numerous news sites.
They absolutely are and there are no excuses to be made. I'm not a crazy "political correctness" type of person, but if any comments are made that are worthy of being dropped from an election, these comments certainly qualify. In my opinion, these men should have dropped out of the race and the Republicans should have endorsed a third party option, like the Constitution Party, independent, or Libertarian Party. I'm no Romney or Ryan fan, however, to their credit, they have come down hard on those who have made those comments and even asked for Akin to drop out of the race.
Yes, they are both bringing out the mudslinging in full force. No argument.
I've considered voting third party. I think we had a discussion about this not too long ago. I guess, I'm not convinced it would help the situation; but I could be wrong and often am.
Well, Sean, there has been plenty of "ranting" on this thread, and most have not been as friendly.
Indeed, politics brings out the worst in people. This country has never been so divided politically, it's really pathetic.
I've remained undecided for so long, because I see two bad choices for President. It's been a matter of trying to determine which is the "best bad choice"----terrible predicament. I've talked to a number of people in the same situation.
The whole point of this thread is to consider how these comments, quoted in my OP, can tip the scales for the undecided voter.
If I don't like either candidate, but feel I must choose one---comments have more of an effect than usual.
It's hard to guess what these comments and other comments made will do for the independent voter. Most polls show that a lot of American independents/undecideds are unhappy with both candidates and polls have shown that many will stay home that voted back in 2008. Most conservatives thought that Obama's "Libya" problem would sway independents and undecided voters their way, but polls have shown the effects to be minimal. I don't know if there are any polls that focus on the rape comments, but i'm guessing it will have little effect with the majority of voters. Despite Akin's comments, McCaskill (the Democrat) is so unpopular right now, that Akin actually has a good chance in that race.At the end of the day, undecided voters are going to look at and vote with their wallets and whether they are better off after four years of Obama. Historically, that has almost always been the case. I would argue that that would bold well for Romney, but I don't have the most recent numbers to support that claim.
The reality is when the intellectual aspect of weighing the issues is exhausted, and neither candidate is acceptable; emotions enter the equation and often break the tie.
The rape comments hit a nerve with me, because I am a rape survivor.
You are a strong and inspiring person Anna!
Romney's comments about the 47% struck a nerve, because they make him sound cold, heartless, and only interested in his wealthy friends. Who wants to vote for someone who dismisses half of America?
Indeed, but the same corrupt corporations and banks that have given and support the Romney campaign are the same banks and corporations that support the Obama campaign. Goldman-Sachs people fill the Obama administration and they will fill a Romney administration. Obama has already bailed many of these companies out and Romney would do the same. They both are in the pocket of their wealthy friends, it's frustrating!
So, that brings me to the thread topic: Republicans' appalling comments can tip the scale for undecided voters. I realize that can also be said of appalling statements made by Democrats, though that is not the topic here. However, as I noted above, the Republican comments really hit a nerve for me personally.
In some cases comments will sway certain voters, however, I still believe that people will vote with their wallet. Obama made comments in 2008 about many Americans "clinging" to their guns and religion. They were only meant for the ears of liberal elitists, but they made it to the public. They were very insensitive comments, but it had very little real effect on the 2008 election.
From an intellectual standpoint; I realize publication of scandalous comments and actions are timed for release at the most opportune moment---meant to inflict the most damage possible to one's opponent. I get that. The thing is, sometimes this strategy works.
Thanks for weighing in Sean.
Maybe by next election, I'll be voting third party too. You just never know.
No problem, I enjoy the discussion!
Peace and blessings,
Anna
What amazes me is that one can speak out against these statements - and even (gasp) consider changing votes because of them - and yet that person who speaks out is vilified. "Pathetic," "whiner," etc. - are these really helpful responses? No, obviously not. The fact is, the Republican party - like any other party - has some brilliant members, some compassionate ones, some idiots, some yes-men, some ignorant members, and some awesome ones. There are all kinds. It is perfectly acceptable to point out errors made by the bad ones. In fact, it should (theoretically) improve a party when its leadership sees that certain actions drive voters away in a close election year. In this case, we see a recurring theme that is thoroughly repulsive. I cannot even imagine what a rape survivor must go through. To tell such an individual that she is a "whiner" because she calls people out for their flippant, irresponsible statements is as uncharitable as the statements themselves.
"Jeffwhosoever" conveniently fails to mention that:
1. Mitt Romney's choice for Vice President, Paul Ryan, has ultraconservative views on rape and abortion are not that much different from
Todd "legitimate rape" Akin and Richard "God's will" Mourdock.
2. Ironically, it was Richard Mourdock who was the only GOP Senatorial candidate for whom Mitt Romney saw fit to put his endorsement on video.
3. One would have expected that after experiencing the embarrassment of Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" comments, Romney would at least have had the good sense to insist that Richard Mourdock be properly "vetted" concerning his "prolife" views - before releasing the endorsement video.
Mitt Romney " Extremely Conservative and Endorsing Richard Mourdock " - YouTube
1 man, 10 men, it isn't a majority. If it is, then prove it. Let's see your independent data that makes a compelling case that the majority of the GOP is indeed racist, compared to that same independent data source's analysis that demonstrates that the Democrats have no racism.
Jeffwhosoever,
I have no idea what you are talking about. This thread is not about racists/racism.
. . .That being said, I condemn any statements made by any human being whose pretense it is to demean women and rape, period.
Most of my response is in response to your inflammatory condescension of the entire Republican party over the comments of one man(or even 10 men). Your generalization of a hundred million Americans over the comment of one (or 10) person is simply ludicrous. The longer you continue to bash the entire Republican party, the worse you look to many Americans.
You are right. I mis-spoke in my follow up. I meant to say "sexist". For me, it is all the same evil of discrimination - racist, sexist, etc.
But you are wrong to make such broad generalizations about 100 million Americans based on the remarks of a dozen or less people.
Gurney,
I appreciate your comments and for understanding the seriousness of all these comments about rape.
There's a lot of derailing going on in this thread---which is what people usually do when they want to avoid the thread topic.
I want people to understand that when these demeaning things are said about women and rape; it affects all of us who are rape survivors. It's like being victimized all over again---only with words from the good old boys in the Republican Party.
What I can't understand is why more people aren't outraged by these comments--whether they are Republican or Democrat.
Anna
Thanks for the clarity.
I was already aware that the purpose of your thread revolves around anti-Republican propaganda though.
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