Looks like this question is being brought up again on the news, so let's take a new poll here.
Republic or monarchy? why?
Republic or monarchy? why?
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Republic or Monarchy?
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Sanguine said:
Completley agreed - we'd probably have one now if they hadn't rigged the last referendum with such a bad model.
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Goku
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I would prefer a monarchy but I guess it wouldnt matter. my mum says a republic would be better because of it will control illegal immagrants, i dont know how but she said it will 
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To people advocating a monarchy: do you feel any connection to Britain? Is the Queen our rightful head of state? Do you consider yourself a British subject?
In all honesty, we aren't British, and as long as we remain a monarchy, we aren't a truly independent nation. The absurdity of the whole thing was really brought home at the rugby world cup. Prince Harry, in line to be our future head of state was decked out in full English attire, going wild whenever the pomms scored. This guy had nothing to do with Australia - he isn't Australian, he's British. So why is he in line to be our head of state?
In all honesty, we aren't British, and as long as we remain a monarchy, we aren't a truly independent nation. The absurdity of the whole thing was really brought home at the rugby world cup. Prince Harry, in line to be our future head of state was decked out in full English attire, going wild whenever the pomms scored. This guy had nothing to do with Australia - he isn't Australian, he's British. So why is he in line to be our head of state?
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Glacial said:
Good point, he really upset a lot of Brits because he's in line to the British throne, not the English one. His advisers had already mucked up with the threat to run home if the press 'came too close' - not a great advertisement for the monarchy!
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Agreed, we really have not much to do with the British anyway, I think its time we did become independant..........
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I voted republic...but, I have a problem with the model many support. A lot of Australians want similiarities with the yanks. Mainly that the people vote in the President. The problem with that is that we have a completely different party situation here. In American it's nothing for a republician to support a democrat policy, or a democrat to support a republician policy. That's why a republicain president can get things done with a democrat house. It's not the same here. If a liberal votes for a labor policy against liberal policy, it's often all over the news, and vice versa. We expect our politicians to vote party lines.
If we have a liberal president and a labor house it wouldn't be so simple here. Unless the President has no power, in which case what would it matter whether it was decided by the House or by the people?
If we have a liberal president and a labor house it wouldn't be so simple here. Unless the President has no power, in which case what would it matter whether it was decided by the House or by the people?
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i was talking to a friend about it yesterday and she said monarchy.. her reason was, we've wasted a lot of money on the last referendum. If we did not have a solid good policy first (the problem that Marissa raised), the people do not have good information to act on, hence why the referendum has failed and probably will fail again.
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Rufus T Firefly
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Buskanaka, you're absolutely right, this is what our PM, may he live to see his name become dung in the history books (it won't happen overnight but it will happen), would have done last time if he had an ounce of good faith. Remember, this is the man who promised there would never ever be a GST under his government. He pulled a classic divide and conquer scam last time, and the republicans fell right into it.Buskanaka said:
As for misgivings about the American system being adopted here, the essential difference between the two systems is that America combines Head of Government and Head of State in the one office. Not many democratic countries do this - I'm not aware of one, though I stand to be corrected here - and I'm sure that no one would want to see it adopted here, although Marissa is correct that the parties in Australia are a lot stronger than in America, far more able (and willing) to exercise discipline over their parliamentary members.
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Blessed-one said:
I don't think that argument works, because it's possible to formulate a decent policy. If there's enough community consultation this time around, then we'll get some good models up there, and if opinion polls are anything to go by, the majority of people want a republic - just not the type of republic that was offered last time around.
Another referendum is an inevitability, it's going to happen whether we like it or not - so we may as well get it right this time.
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I think we should stick with what we have for the moment.
Until we seriously understand why we want a republic, why it would be of more benefit than what we have, what seperation from ties to britain will mean and what it means to us to be Australian, I don't see much point in changing it. Remember, becoming a republic would entail the removal and redesign of everything with a crown and royal attached, possibly including the flags, which wouldn't be cheap.
Sometimes the debate of becoming a republic reminds me of a teenager insisting they are grown up and want to be treated as an adult, rather than naturaly going through the paces. If the main basis of becoming a republic is to seem more independent, then the shallowness of the reasons will show through in the nature of the republic we get. We are a nation now, the majority don't feel oppressed or limited by a constitutional monarchy existing, it's largely ceremonial, so what is the reason for the urgency of change?
Until we seriously understand why we want a republic, why it would be of more benefit than what we have, what seperation from ties to britain will mean and what it means to us to be Australian, I don't see much point in changing it. Remember, becoming a republic would entail the removal and redesign of everything with a crown and royal attached, possibly including the flags, which wouldn't be cheap.
Sometimes the debate of becoming a republic reminds me of a teenager insisting they are grown up and want to be treated as an adult, rather than naturaly going through the paces. If the main basis of becoming a republic is to seem more independent, then the shallowness of the reasons will show through in the nature of the republic we get. We are a nation now, the majority don't feel oppressed or limited by a constitutional monarchy existing, it's largely ceremonial, so what is the reason for the urgency of change?
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If Australia decides to go down the republic path, not a great deal will change re constitutional power. The House of Reps and the Senate will still have control of the country. A republic will simply give us an Australian Ceremonial Head of State (of which we have in the form of a Governor General - albeit on behalf of Big Liz). Like the existing Governor General, a "President" would no doubt be invested with the power to disolve parliament.
I can't see much point in changing and hence my vote is for Monarchy. However, I think a republic is inevitable as the older generations fall off the twig. I think the PM should not only have constitutional power but also be the Head of State. Having a separate election for a ceremonial head of state is wasteful and un-necessary. I guess much the same as the US President, although I would deplore the position called President in Australia; I think Prime Minister or Governor General is just fine.
Unsure of the safeguard measure; possible impeachment by a vote of both houses combined??? In which case, I think both houses should be disolved for new elections. This would tend to make those Representatives and Senators think twice before impeaching our Head of State for political reasons.
I can't see much point in changing and hence my vote is for Monarchy. However, I think a republic is inevitable as the older generations fall off the twig. I think the PM should not only have constitutional power but also be the Head of State. Having a separate election for a ceremonial head of state is wasteful and un-necessary. I guess much the same as the US President, although I would deplore the position called President in Australia; I think Prime Minister or Governor General is just fine.
Unsure of the safeguard measure; possible impeachment by a vote of both houses combined??? In which case, I think both houses should be disolved for new elections. This would tend to make those Representatives and Senators think twice before impeaching our Head of State for political reasons.
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Yes....I tend to agree on a monarchy. I cannot see any major reason for change.
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Cameron said:
alot of poeple are gonna say what about the flag and so on, We didnt fight the world wars with it (we were under british) and honestly i dont wanna live in a country with another empires flag attached to it any longer. were not british autralians but with the union jack on our flag thats how we look.
And as for the money to do it all, maybe we should stop building football stadiums and garbage like that for a few years. i know just in brisbane alone we spent 300 million on our rugby stadium alone and we are also goin to upgrade our afl one at the end of the year. Theres some funds we could be drawing from. Bring on a republic
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