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The Bellman · Jul 14, 2004

GodSaves said:
One who tells lies and gets caught usually declares they weren't lying in the first place. They usually offer another explanation that is a lie as well. Thus the lie continues on and on, evolving(more elaborate) and strays farther and farther away from the truth. Reminds me of macroevolution.

Then you must know little about evolution, since its truth has been verified by thousands of scientists in thousands of ways.

GodSaves said:
Any wonder why NASA is trying to find life on Mars?

Yeah, it's called science. Trying to discover more about the universe around us.

GodSaves said:
So they can say that is where human life began, or aliens spawned us.

Sorry, nope. That's not the reason.

GodSaves said:
Francis Crick put forth the idea. Of course God would be a crazier idea then aliens putting seeds in the ocean and we spawned from that, wouldn't it?

He apparently thinks so. That's one. This position is certainly not one commonly held in the science community. In fact, I'd say theistic evolution is FAR more commonly held than panspermia, and "godless" evolution more commonly held as well. I know of no scientist who puts forward panspermia as a serious theory.

But hey, facts make little difference to creationists, so go for it.

Nathan Poe · Jul 14, 2004

The Bellman said:
I must confess at this point that the idea of JohnR7 attacking Lucaspa on scientific grounds has given me the best laugh I've had in a long, long while.

However, inspired by JohnR7's example, I'm going to challenge Tiger Woods to a long-driving contest.

Further inspired by his example, I'd like to tell Tiger Woods how much better I am at golf, without ever bothering to pick up a club.

The Bellman · Jul 14, 2004

Nathan Poe said:
Further inspired by his example, I'd like to tell Tiger Woods how much better I am at golf, without ever bothering to pick up a club.

Actually, yeah, that's a better following of JohnR7's example.

Or go down and tell my local minister he knows nothing at all about Jesus...without ever having opened a bible.

levans · Jul 15, 2004

if u are a christian, it is impossible to believe in evolution.
Being a christian u believe that God creates life, that he creates everything, so by sayin that christians can also believe in evolution is completely false.
So to answer your question about evolution and faith (christianity), if u believe in evolution how can u believe in a God? Your trying so hard to prove evolution correct, and in your own words, your trying to validate your ideals of their being no God.
Simple facts. Evolution= relates very heavilyto atheisism. Creation= relating to the fact that by Gods hand everything is given life.
Show me a christian who believes in evolution (macroevolution) and you'll also see a Christian who doesnt believe in the word of God and doesnt take their faith very seriously
If you doubt what im talking about, read your bible and you will see what im saying is from the bible. if u want me to get the verses for you i will. But dont try and fool other people as well as yourself into believe you can believe in a God and evolution. Sorry but it doesnt make any sense. Thats if you believe in the bible being the word of God

Data · Jul 15, 2004

levans said:
if u are a christian, it is impossible to believe in evolution.
Being a christian u believe that God creates life, that he creates everything, so by sayin that christians can also believe in evolution is completely false.
So to answer your question about evolution and faith (christianity), if u believe in evolution how can u believe in a God? Your trying so hard to prove evolution correct, and in your own words, your trying to validate your ideals of their being no God.
Simple facts. Evolution= relates very heavilyto atheisism. Creation= relating to the fact that by Gods hand everything is given life.
Show me a christian who believes in evolution (macroevolution) and you'll also see a Christian who doesnt believe in the word of God and doesnt take their faith very seriously
If you doubt what im talking about, read your bible and you will see what im saying is from the bible. if u want me to get the verses for you i will. But dont try and fool other people as well as yourself into believe you can believe in a God and evolution. Sorry but it doesnt make any sense. Thats if you believe in the bible being the word of God

English? Please?

Mistermystery · Jul 15, 2004

levans said:
if u are a christian, it is impossible to believe in evolution.

Evolution is not equal to atheism. Evolution is not equal to atheism. Evolution is not equal to atheism. Evolution is not equal to atheism. Evolution is not equal to atheism. Evolution is not equal to atheism. Evolution is not equal to atheism. Evolution is not equal to atheism.

Being a christian u believe that God creates life,

The theory of Evolution accepts the fact that life exsist, but does not say anything about it's origin. The theory of Evolution accepts the fact that life exsist, but does not say anything about it's origin. The theory of Evolution accepts the fact that life exsist, but does not say anything about it's origin. The theory of Evolution accepts the fact that life exsist, but does not say anything about it's origin.

If someone is a theistic evolutionist they believe that God created life and let evolution (as a tool of god) duide it to what it is today.

that he creates everything, so by sayin that christians can also believe in evolution is completely false.

You are absolutly wrong.

Simple facts. Evolution= relates very heavilyto atheisism.

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Show me a christian who believes in evolution (macroevolution) and you'll also see a Christian who doesnt believe in the word of God and doesnt take their faith very seriously

Tell that to the theistic evolutionists on this board. Tell it to Lucaspa. Tell it to Buttermilk. Tell it to your pope. TELL IT TO THE MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANITY.

If you doubt what im talking about, read your bible and you will see what im saying is from the bible. if u want me to get the verses for you i will. But dont try and fool other people as well as yourself into believe you can believe in a God and evolution. Sorry but it doesnt make any sense. Thats if you believe in the bible being the word of God

And you should read God's second book.

JohnR7 · Jul 15, 2004

Nathan Poe said:
Further inspired by his example, I'd like to tell Tiger Woods how much better I am at golf, without ever bothering to pick up a club.

I know you better than that Nathan, if you could make more money playing golf, I am sure you would go for it.

Nathan Poe · Jul 15, 2004

levans said:
if u are a christian, it is impossible to believe in evolution.

Mistake #1, proven wrong by the myriad of Christians on this very board who understand and accept evolutionary theory.

Being a christian u believe that God creates life, that he creates everything,

Kindly point out the part of evolutionary theory which contradicts this.

so by sayin that christians can also believe in evolution is completely false.

This is not mistake #2, merely a restatement of mistake #1.

So to answer your question about evolution and faith (christianity), if u believe in evolution how can u believe in a God?

God created life, then it evolved. Even an Atheist like myself can figure out that theory. What part of it are you stumbling on?

Your trying so hard to prove evolution correct, and in your own words, your trying to validate your ideals of their being no God.

Mistake #2. Evolution is not Atheism.

Simple facts. Evolution= relates very heavilyto atheisism. Creation= relating to the fact that by Gods hand everything is given life.

Mistake #2 again.

Show me a christian who believes in evolution (macroevolution) and you'll also see a Christian who doesnt believe in the word of God and doesnt take their faith very seriously

Mistake #3, and a violation of forum rules. You, friend, are in no position to judge anyone else's Christianity.

If you doubt what im talking about, read your bible and you will see what im saying is from the bible. if u want me to get the verses for you i will.

Please do; I for one would enjoy the oppertunity to watch you demolish Christianity with Biblical literalism.

But dont try and fool other people as well as yourself into believe you can believe in a God and evolution. Sorry but it doesnt make any sense.

Only becuase you don't understand it. Mistake #4: there are things in the world you don't understand but which nevertheless are true.

Thats if you believe in the bible being the word of God

Mistake #5: The Word of God is not always literal.

Welcome to the discussion.

Split Rock · Jul 15, 2004

levans said:
if u are a christian, it is impossible to believe in evolution.
Being a christian u believe that God creates life, that he creates everything, so by sayin that christians can also believe in evolution is completely false.
So to answer your question about evolution and faith (christianity), if u believe in evolution how can u believe in a God? Your trying so hard to prove evolution correct, and in your own words, your trying to validate your ideals of their being no God.
Simple facts. Evolution= relates very heavilyto atheisism. Creation= relating to the fact that by Gods hand everything is given life.
Show me a christian who believes in evolution (macroevolution) and you'll also see a Christian who doesnt believe in the word of God and doesnt take their faith very seriously
If you doubt what im talking about, read your bible and you will see what im saying is from the bible. if u want me to get the verses for you i will. But dont try and fool other people as well as yourself into believe you can believe in a God and evolution. Sorry but it doesnt make any sense. Thats if you believe in the bible being the word of God

Do u believe that the heart (not the brain) is the organ of thought and emotion? If u dont, then you need to read your bible again. if u want me to get the verses for you i will.

JohnR7 · Jul 15, 2004

Split Rock said:
Do u believe that the heart (not the brain) is the organ of thought and emotion?

In the Hebrew it is all combined together in one word. Jesus added the word: "mind" when He translated the verse from Hebrew to Greek.

Mark 12:30-31
And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. [31] And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Deut. 6:4-5
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! [5] You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

Nathan Poe · Jul 15, 2004

JohnR7 said:
In the Hebrew it is all combined together in one word. Jesus added the word: "mind" when He translated the verse from Hebrew to Greek.

Excuse me?

When did Jesus translate scripture?

For that matter, when did he ever speek Greek?

GodSaves · Jul 16, 2004

Actually, Greek was one of the common languages of the times in which Jesus lived. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were used in different area's of Israel. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. Jesus has been quoted using all 3 languages at different times.

Jesus wasn't necissarily translating scripture, unless you feel the need to get technical because the OT was written in Hebrew and He said it in another language. Jesus was quoting scripture, giving validation to the OT.

Nathan Poe · Jul 16, 2004

GodSaves said:
Actually, Greek was one of the common languages of the times in which Jesus lived. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were used in different area's of Israel. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. Jesus has been quoted using all 3 languages at different times.

Interesting. Since the Greeks were a seafaring people who had traveled across the region, and still, IIRC, maintained sea commerce to the area, I suppose the locals would pick up a little of it.

Jesus wasn't necissarily translating scripture, unless you feel the need to get technical because the OT was written in Hebrew and He said it in another language. Jesus was quoting scripture, giving validation to the OT.

Agreed. He'd quote it in the common language of whomever he was preaching to at the time.... which was probably not Greek.

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